KVR Audio

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:58 pm

IncarnateX wrote:I still hear you. Now plagiarism is not a nice thing and not very original but as your friend I am of course going to forgive you. You can PM me for other ideas of what to write.

Your friend

I had that at hand, because I knew you wouldn't discuss the topic further.
You're as predictable and boring as any other discussion troll.

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 2:59 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
Image-Line wrote: FWIW: FL Studio 12 GUI will be 100% vectorial allowing us to adapt it to suit the usage mode and display resolution.

Regards Scott
The Image Line generators too? (Like Sytrus, which is too small on my high ppi laptop screen)

I don't think "ppi" has anything to do with that.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:19 pm

1920x1080 on a 15,4 inch screen -> smaller pixels -> smaller GUI

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:25 pm

A higher ppi on the same screen will not result in a smaller GUI.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:25 pm

BMoore wrote: I'm not contradicting myself. Please point to the contradictions.

Oh my! What friend am I to deny you this? Sorry but let us see, how about this:

BMoore wrote:
ericj23 wrote:
You realise that as an x86 computer surface pro runs all windows vst and hosts?
Sure. But most of them are not very touch friendly.

together with this:

BMoore wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:
BMoore wrote:I find it very valid regardig app availability, and because the alternative IS a "touch screen tablet"..
Doesn't make sense. What good is app availability on a touch screen tablet if you can not control them with the touch screen? You shouldn't try to twist it any further. It will get more and more absurd. What you need is touch optimized apps for touch screen tablets and with regard to music there is only one such app currently. Simple as that.
Because it's more than only a touch screen...

So let us recapitulate: A touch screen tablet with no user friendly touch apps is nonetheless MORE than a touch screen tablet because because the non-user friendly apps are available on a touch screen tablet?

Well if this ain't a self-contradiction, it sure is non-sensical.

Unfortunately there are other examples, like this:

IncarnateX wrote:
BMoore wrote:And the "surface pro runs windows programs" argument is actually pretty valid. As you can use both an external keyboard and a mouse. Not optimal for touch, but still.
Since the argument is put forward with regard to surface pro being an alternative to the iPad as a touch screen tablet, the argument is not valid. Goes without saying. Otherwise my old non touch surfaced laptop would be just as good an alternative.

So, your argument is that surface pro is an alternative touch screen tablet to the iPad because even though the apps are not touch friendly you can still use the apps with mouse and keyboard? Doesn' t that argument contradict the purpose of a touch screen tablet?

But never mind. As your friend I beg you not to think of it anymore. It is all part of the past now and not important.

Your friend

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:30 pm

Again. This obsession about "touch screen". I've not seen anyone but you argue about touch-only. Get past that, and get back.

If you can't use a W7/W8 tablet, then don't. Simple as that. Others are able.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:31 pm

BMoore wrote:A higher ppi on the same screen will not result in a smaller GUI.

On the same screen? A screen only has 1 ppi (lcd in native resolution).
Syrus has a fixed dimension (600x420 or something, I don't know exactly), and if that's viewed with smaller pixels, the size is maller. What doesn't make sense about this?

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?p=736022

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:40 pm

T-CM11 wrote:
BMoore wrote:A higher ppi on the same screen will not result in a smaller GUI.
On the same screen? A screen only has 1 ppi (lcd in native resolution).
Syrus has a fixed dimension (600x420 or something, I don't know exactly), and if that's viewed with smaller pixels, the size is maller. What doesn't make sense about this?

http://forum.image-line.com/viewtopic.php?p=736022

"PPI" usually means a sharper screen, not a smaller GUI.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:44 pm

Let's say Sytrus is 4x3 pixels big...

Which red rectangle is the smallest?

egbert · Post by **egbert** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 3:49 pm

Most GUIs are bitmaps. They are a fixed number of pixels like the red rectangle in that diagram.

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:10 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
ericj23 wrote:And as for the video comment - I am going to generously assume you just don't read what people type as english isn't your native language
However you try to twist it to save face, it was you who quoted me on the touch screen argument and then posted a video about using a controller with surface pro. Here let me remind you:
ericj23 wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:Twisted logic. A touch screen tablet where you cannot control the apps with the touch screen but only with mouse and keyboard is LESS than a touch screen tablet but just a normal pc. Are you kidding me or are you really that ?
Are you really saying you think that regular windows apps & plug-ins e.g. cubase,sonar,reaper,diva, zebra, dcam etc can't be controlled using the touch screen on a surface pro?
Here is a video of surface pro as a portable rig with maschine - running vst and all that good stuff - as a maschine owner that looks sweet !

Well if you cannot take my word for your failure, take your ally's:
BMoore wrote:To be fair. That video really does not show anyone controlling anything from that touch screen.
But maybe it is just us that are very bad at English and do not understand that touch screen control equals using an external hardware controller?
BTW: The iPad has long passed the age of lacking controllers. When I feel the urge to use one, I set it up with Oxygen 49 through the camera connection kit. Works perfect on most midi compatible apps and there are quite a few. Basically that means that the video has no relevance at all to the Surface versus iPad debate.
Now if you are going to cope with your failure by denial and projection I am not going to be the one to stop you. After all, I am not taking this whole thing as seriously as to wish you any mental harm. But…if you insist on taking a few rounds more, I am all in for the sport of it.

The bit you fail to understand is I wasn't putting this video up for you benefit - nor was I putting it up to show anything about touch - and the bit that shows you can't read is I never said any other thing

The bit for you was about your claim

IncarnateX wrote:A touch screen tablet where you cannot control the apps with the touch screen but only with mouse and keyboard is LESS than a touch screen tablet but just a normal pc.

Now I don't care about the lead up to that - that line (which is basically your whole post) is factually inaccurate - the touch screen functions exactly as a mouse - and for most apps that are designed to work that way that is a start

Seeing as you seem to like videos here is one of that working

The video I put up at the time was a video that appeals to me as maschine owner - that bit I did write

So when you start making statements about projection you should really look at your own responses - because you failed to understand some english and made 2+2=3.I have no interest in your opinion about mobile computing, or anything for that matter. You are either ignorant/self obsessed or unable to understand the language I use so I am sorry I have no interst in communicating with you.

So to be clear what I would like is for you to stop posting in this thread. Basically an ipad in my eyes is underpowered, has limited quality plug-in/hardware support compared to what I am used to my big rig and what software there is not compatible with it either so any gains from working mobile are lost if I actually want to use my main studio

I do have interest in the surface pro though- which is what this thread is about. The idea of a small mobile scratch pad is appealing - I suspect the surface is not it, but if something like this had very low latency (or at least better than the 20ms of the ipad) I might change my mind

So does anyone with a surface care to comment on using external sound cards/asio for all, vst or not?

BMoore · Post by **BMoore** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:17 pm

T-CM11 wrote:Let's say Sytrus is 4x3 pixels big...

Which red rectangle is the smallest?

Yes. But you wrote "on my high ppi screen".
A larger screen, with ever higher ppi, could even make sytrus bigger.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:19 pm

ericj23 wrote:nor was I putting it up to show anything about touch

then you shouldn' t have posted it in that context and with quote to my touch screen argument. Remember that at least two of us stupid readers understood it in this context.. Simple as that.

As for the rest of your post, I am sorry but tldr.

But I am YOUR friend too. Rest assured. And I am sure that when this thread eventually gets locked, we can all breathe again in harmony, love and understanding.

Kissy kissy

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:22 pm

BMoore wrote:Again. This obsession about "touch screen". I've not seen anyone but you argue about touch-only. Get past that, and get back.

If you can't use a W7/W8 tablet, then don't. Simple as that. Others are able.

But BMoore! You do not have to speak to me like that, I am still your friend, even if you have posted one or two or three or four non-sensical posts. Do be so defensive about it. I still love you ( as a friend that is)

kiss

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Sat Sep 28, 2013 4:30 pm

BMoore wrote: Yes. But you wrote "on my high ppi screen".
A larger screen, with ever higher ppi, could even make sytrus bigger.

I mentioned laptop screen. There are no laptops with a (high ppi) screen that is bigger than the average standalone screen.

T-CM11 wrote: The Image Line generators too? (Like Sytrus, which is too small on my high ppi laptop screen)

Surface 2013: good bye iPad?