The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[elxsound]

Of course you can. You must not be a Live user, but it's a crucial feature. Drum Racks have their own return channels for send effects. And you can send the drum rack return channels out to any main return channel as well so that each pad can send to the main send effects as well as it's own. Absolutely essential.

Others have enlightened me. I'm kinda/sorta a Live user. I've been playing with the demo for a long time but waiting to buy bitwig instead. I've just never been that interested in sends for individual drums. What's crucial is subjective. It seemed to me that if they were going to allow send for drums they would just put the send knobs in the mixer strips, but obviously I was wrong.

They are in the mixer strips....

You can create sends within devices too, but there are sends at the top level. They're in the mixer, but you have to expand it by clicking the "s" in the lower right corner. On Mac the shortcut is Option+Command+S.... not sure what it would be on PC anymore.

[Ogopogo]

I know about sends. I'm saying that submix strips from drum racks don't show sends until you set them up within the device, which threw me off. Bitwig is doing it the way I imagined it would be, though. There are a few posts talking about all that on the last page.

[pdxindy]

Hi Tom and thanks for the info.

Could you tell me, when you mute a track will it's devices still take up cpu resources?

I just tried with 10x Satin in one device chain, one after another (7% CPU @ 48 khz - not bad) and yes, they still use CPU - and there is hardly any way around it for a tool that is also meant for live use. You need to be able to mute and un-mute a track as part of the live show and the result has to be seamless. That's only possible if everything is running all the time. Otherwise notes would need to retrigger on unmute, delays would start anew etc. - you would get something completely differnt.

Cheers,

Tom

Yeah makes sense, I guess the device it self has a power off button.

Cheers, look forward to it

It would be useful to have a device chain off, so all individual devices in a chain do not have to be turned off individually

[ThomasHelzle]

As for my long KVR post: that wasn't directed at anybody specifically really, it's a feel I got from the years being on the forums.
Or at least how I rationalize the sheer amount of aggression here. YMMV of course.


@crashedthecar: yeah, every device(chain) has an off button, but similar things are true for these as for the mute button when in a live situation. If there is a way to completely disable a track, I have yet to find it (other than freezing)


pxindy: Yeah, I have that problem with the default follow action length as well in Live. And no, BW doesn't seem to handle it better (default is zero, which at the same time is the off-state), but I'll make that into a Feature Request

I know what you mean with nodal/Zebra. Too tiny nodes can get very annoying if you have to connect them all over every time.
For me, the layering in Live is already pretty "topheavy" though, especially since you can't make the devices bigger vertically.
Well, I guess we will see how it evolves and what can be found out. For my personal use, I'm happy with how it works already.

There is a device-chain off for grouped devices (same shortcut as in Live BTW - CTRL-G) but again it is Live-enabled so the devices have to run. That it the main reason AFAIK why Live sometimes is getting worse performance reviews than more studio-oriented DAWs which can ignore those things and just switch stuff off...


@Echoes: I'm not sure if you can somehow drive the drum map sends with the pad macros. You CAN assign them to a controller, but I know what you are after. My current knowledge isn't deep enough to answer those questions in a satisfying way, sorry.


Somebody asked for controllers: Yes, I use a BCF2000 and a MPD18 with it.
The BCF2000 is autodetected and comes with a nice sysex script with good features and prepared for the colour coded Auto-Mappings.

If you know the BCF device you may know that it can be rather loud if the MIDI is too choppy. With BW it is the most silent from all DAWs I tried it with. (BTW. if you have a BCF and hate the noise, it can be drastically reduced if you remove the knobs from the faders. I find the metal levers underneath just as good to use and it makes the device much more usable for me).

The MPD18 isn't yet directly supported, but since it's just 16 simple pads, there isn't really much to support
Other AKAI, Nectar etc. Controllers are also supported and can be autodetected when available.
There is a specific Controller SDK coming with BW, so the situation should be much better than it was with Live and S1 for such a long time.

Enough for today - need sleep.

Thanks everybody, it was inspiring and fun to dig deeper into BW with your suggestions!
I learned a lot.

Cheers,

Tom

[juansep]

To any of the betatesters, I'd like to know 2 things:

1. Is there a bounce in place option? Similar to Studio One in which it creates a new track with the audio event below the track you bounced?

2. Is there a multiband compressor included in the FX? If there isn't, do you know if they plan to incorporate one?

[crashedthecar]

Good on you Tom
I think you've earned your sleep.

Tomorrow we give you coffee and then you talk!

[Ogopogo]

juan, I have heard the devs say that there will be a bounce in place function. I can't remember where they said that, I think it was in a comment on facebook or youtube. But you can also see a "bounce" button in the midi clip info view in the latest demo video:

[Ogopogo]

Thomas, I'm loving your in depth answers so thank you very much.

I'm assuming you got your sleep when you're reading this, so here is another question if you please. Since the volume and pan on the drum rack work for the selected pad, is it possible to map these to a controller and so use that single controller to control volume or pan for any of your drum pads? For example with your MPD 18 could you set the slider to volume and then use it to set the volume of whichever pad you hit last? I'm not sure if Live can do something like this.

[garyboozy]

To any of the betatesters, I'd like to know 2 things:

1. Is there a bounce in place option? Similar to Studio One in which it creates a new track with the audio event below the track you bounced?

2. Is there a multiband compressor included in the FX? If there isn't, do you know if they plan to incorporate one?

1. Yep. Works just as expected on a per-track basis, but even better, there's also a master channel bounce-in-place, so you can select a range of tracks to bounce to master and, as clips can live in the master track, bounced master clips 'take over' any audio coming through the master. it's a nifty feature.

2. No, but there are 4 different devices for controlling your peaks and troughs: Compressor, Peak Limiter, Dynamics and Transient Control, and these can be racked up into splitter devices so you could make your own. maybe a Multiband Dynamics device will be along soon enough, or they'll amalgamate some of the existing ones into a more 'do it all' device.

[pc999]

Thanks for the answers!!!

[V0RT3X]

I'll probably be buying this, but keeping live for the max for live stuff.

[crashedthecar]

1. Yep. Works just as expected on a per-track basis, but even better, there's also a master channel bounce-in-place, so you can select a range of tracks to bounce to master and, as clips can live in the master track, bounced master clips 'take over' any audio coming through the master. it's a nifty feature.

That is an awesome feature!

I'm sold, don't care if they don't have a comping feature

Btw, does Bitwig have a comping feature?

[pdxindy]

pxindy: Yeah, I have that problem with the default follow action length as well in Live. And no, BW doesn't seem to handle it better (default is zero, which at the same time is the off-state), but I'll make that into a Feature Request

I know what you mean with nodal/Zebra. Too tiny nodes can get very annoying if you have to connect them all over every time.
For me, the layering in Live is already pretty "topheavy" though, especially since you can't make the devices bigger vertically.
Well, I guess we will see how it evolves and what can be found out. For my personal use, I'm happy with how it works already.

There is a device-chain off for grouped devices (same shortcut as in Live BTW - CTRL-G) but again it is Live-enabled so the devices have to run. That it the main reason AFAIK why Live sometimes is getting worse performance reviews than more studio-oriented DAWs which can ignore those things and just switch stuff off...


Cheers,

Tom

(sleep well!)

Sorry to hear that Bitwig followed the poor choice from Live! I hope your feature request goes better than mine has! hehe

Besides the default follow action length, I wish there were a default follow action setting with a handy key command. I would like to be able to activate follow actions without having to open the clip editor... Small things, but usability adds up.

[pdxindy]

To any of the betatesters, I'd like to know 2 things:

1. Is there a bounce in place option? Similar to Studio One in which it creates a new track with the audio event below the track you bounced?

2. Is there a multiband compressor included in the FX? If there isn't, do you know if they plan to incorporate one?

With Bitwig it would not be necessary to make a new track. It could actually bounce in place cause tracks can hold both midi and audio...

[naujpablo]

Hi all
Sorry to have kept you waiting with regard to the Bitwig release. There have been some minor drawbacks and we had to simplify the code a little.
However, it is soon to be released and tested. Here is a sneak peak:



Cheers

does it has PDC? if not, i won't buy it.