I know many say "do whatever sounds right", and I agree, but I also want to have my song be mixable by normal DJ standards. So is a 24 bar phrase uncommon / not practical for house music?
Thanks!
Is it bad to have a 24 bar phrase in deep house music?
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- KVRist
- 39 posts since 26 Mar, 2013
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 39 posts since 26 Mar, 2013
Well, googling '24 bars house music' turns up a shockingly small number of results, so I'm going to play it safe and stick with 16 or 32.
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- KVRAF
- 16806 posts since 8 Mar, 2005 from Utrecht, Holland
Don't listen to Google. 24 seems a perfectly normal number, twice the size of yer standard blues schema.
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- KVRAF
- 26033 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
'24' disagreeing with 'normal DJ mixing standards' seems to suggest that the DJ is totally automatic or very easily thrown off.
and I think that's making the cart pull the horse, fitting the DJ's problem first in order for you to proceed. Isn't it?
are these things really THAT cookie-cutter?
there are IDEAS that naturally come out in the shape /<4 + 4> x 2/ or something and there could be an idea that does something else. But you're happier building that wall behind that notion?
and I think that's making the cart pull the horse, fitting the DJ's problem first in order for you to proceed. Isn't it?
are these things really THAT cookie-cutter?
there are IDEAS that naturally come out in the shape /<4 + 4> x 2/ or something and there could be an idea that does something else. But you're happier building that wall behind that notion?
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- Banned
- 10196 posts since 12 Mar, 2012 from the Bavarian Alps to my feet and the globe around my head
To be mixable for a DJ, the intro and the outro of a song is important and should consist of percussion elements (doesn't have to be 4-to-the-floor).
Between intro and outro you can make how many 24 bar phrases you'd like to make. If it sounds good, it is good.
Between intro and outro you can make how many 24 bar phrases you'd like to make. If it sounds good, it is good.
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- KVRist
- 160 posts since 30 Aug, 2008 from USH, Germany
Well, it's called *deep* house for a reason, no ?jancivil wrote:are these things really THAT cookie-cutter?
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 39 posts since 26 Mar, 2013
Awesome discussion. Maybe I'll go back in and keep it! Thanks everyone.
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- KVRAF
- 2275 posts since 4 Dec, 2011 from Brasília, Brazil
the commom is to think on even groups of 8 bars. But it would be nice to listen a 24 bar phrase.
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- KVRian
- 826 posts since 26 Aug, 2005 from Oregon, USA
Break the rules. One reason EDM is so boring nowadays is that everyone copies each other.
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- Banned
- 9890 posts since 14 Nov, 2006
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- KVRist
- 82 posts since 12 Sep, 2013
Hey, op was asking a serious question guys 
My opinion is that as long as its not something weird like like a 9 bar phase or 17 bars, it won't throw off a DJ. and the other posters are right, you shouldn't be worrying about the DJ. They should worry about themselves and how to mix your track.
My opinion is that as long as its not something weird like like a 9 bar phase or 17 bars, it won't throw off a DJ. and the other posters are right, you shouldn't be worrying about the DJ. They should worry about themselves and how to mix your track.
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- KVRAF
- 21348 posts since 26 Jul, 2005 from Gone
They're retardant, obviously...debra1rlo wrote:[pedantic] Wooden fairies of the fire gods? You're not seeing the obvious incendiary hazard of FIRE GODS possessing WOODEN FAIRIES??[/pedantic]elnn wrote:Wooden fairies of the fire gods gonna crunch your ass for this one
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- KVRist
- 475 posts since 4 Nov, 2011 from Tleat
They wear nano-plastic bags (you know, these cool ones) when the boss is around. Bit of a nuisance, sure, but the pay is nice (free firecrackers and wing-twinkles, as well!), so they don't really squabble.robojam wrote:They're retardant, obviously...debra1rlo wrote:[pedantic] Wooden fairies of the fire gods? You're not seeing the obvious incendiary hazard of FIRE GODS possessing WOODEN FAIRIES??[/pedantic]elnn wrote:Wooden fairies of the fire gods gonna crunch your ass for this one
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- KVRist
- 112 posts since 21 Aug, 2011
Ok, house DJ and producer and jazz musician here. If by 24 bar phrase you mean you have a long phrase over an 8 bar structure that happens to take 3 loops of the 8, that would not strike me as weird. If you mean the form itself is 24 bars, that's more unusual. To be honest, a 24 bar form is almost never encountered anywhere outside of a double length blues. House, the form is pretty much always either 8,16, or 32 bars.
That said, it's only going to irritate a DJ if they're doing some live looping with it.
That said, it's only going to irritate a DJ if they're doing some live looping with it.