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humanbeingbeing · Post by **humanbeingbeing** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:18 pm

pdxindy wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:
Whatever, I'm not a BW spokesperson and don't try to defend them, just try to bring some sense into the discussion.

YMMV

Cheers,

Tom
A fine effort, but a waste of time... Better just talk about the beta and let the people who feel they have been so terribly victimized by Bitwig to their rants.

Who are you referring to?? I haven't spent enuf time on this thread, but looking back a bunch of pages I can't find any victim rants... I'm just curious because I'd be happy to get into these debates if I could actually find any. I know several of these replies seemed to be aimed at my responses, but I don't consider myself a victim and I think I've been pretty clear about that.

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:40 pm

There's a lot of people who seem to think that Bitwig's seemingly late arrival means it's a failure, and think they are smarter than the average bear for "realizing" it's vapourware. I don't think humanbeingbeing is one of those people. You can see them on the youtubes or the twitter or the facebook, though.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:49 pm

We joked about all of that, but someday, maybe even soon, it will be released.

But being in beta as long as it has?

Alpha? I understand........beta???

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:50 pm

marioisaac wrote:Did somebody kidnapped the cats? it's been a few pages since I don't see them...

They were all banned. Now, only serious people with serious questions can post here

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:11 pm

Oh yeah, can you use the mousewheel on faders and knobs in Bitwig? It kills me that you can't do that in ableton (afaik). After using Reaper where you can use the wheel on fader or ctrl+wheel to make fine adjustments (around .1db), having to "grab" the fader in ableton gets really old, especially for those small adjustments.

bradleyfilms · Post by **bradleyfilms** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:19 pm

hibidy wrote:
marioisaac wrote:Did somebody kidnapped the cats? it's been a few pages since I don't see them...
They were all banned. Now, only serious people with serious questions can post here

binned? wot i do rong then?

marioisaac · Post by **marioisaac** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:30 pm

hibidy wrote:
marioisaac wrote:Did somebody kidnapped the cats? it's been a few pages since I don't see them...
They were all banned. Now, only serious people with serious questions can post here

That's very sad news... poor cats...

marioisaac · Post by **marioisaac** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:33 pm

bradleyfilms wrote:
hibidy wrote:
marioisaac wrote:Did somebody kidnapped the cats? it's been a few pages since I don't see them...
They were all banned. Now, only serious people with serious questions can post here

binned? wot i do rong then?

Oh my god, if he got banned, who is going to feed this poor kitty? I'm afraid he could die soon...

Mods have mercy...

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 8:51 pm

lolzes

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 9:57 pm

humanbeingbeing wrote:Now, it may be popular to frame that like some irrational demand, but it's really not, they're trying to sell us a product, I want to buy it, I want to know whether it really will be a replacement for Live, which I need really badly... I'm not going to jump up and down demanding it, but I still want it.

It is an irrational demand. Cause making it will not speed it up in the slightest. Saying Bitwig sucks, are bad developers, they should let anyone use it RIGHT NOW cause they want it, should not have announced it etc etc is all just whiny spoiled brat behavior. The amount of negativity towards Bitwig in this and other threads is ridiculous and unwarranted and shows the character of the posters, not anything about Bitwig.

And you are wrong, Bitwig is NOT trying to sell you a product. They are developing a product. Once it is for sale, THEN they are trying to sell you a product.

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:05 pm

pdxindy wrote:
humanbeingbeing wrote:Now, it may be popular to frame that like some irrational demand, but it's really not, they're trying to sell us a product, I want to buy it, I want to know whether it really will be a replacement for Live, which I need really badly... I'm not going to jump up and down demanding it, but I still want it.
It is an irrational demand. Cause making it will not speed it up in the slightest. Saying Bitwig sucks, are bad developers, they should let anyone use it RIGHT NOW cause they want it, should not have announced it etc etc is all just whiny spoiled brat behavior. The amount of negativity towards Bitwig in this and other threads is ridiculous and unwarranted and shows the character of the posters, not anything about Bitwig.

And you are wrong, Bitwig is NOT trying to sell you a product. They are developing a product. Once it is for sale, THEN they are trying to sell you a product.

Well, I agree with most of what you say here, except the selling product part. Is it technically available for purchase? No. Is the pre-announcement apart of selling the product when it's available for purchase? Yes.

I do hate to see the whiny, self-entitled BS that gets posted here, but at the same time it's apart of announcing a product early without providing an ETA for release. It's a double edged sword that in the end I think will work just fine for Bitwig. They seem to have a great product that will probably stand for itself when released.

UncleAge · Post by **UncleAge** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 10:11 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:What everybody wants here (my impression) is to basically get an early demo version to see if BW is for him or not and what it is all about.

Not exactly. Thomas you seem like a decent person so please don't take this as a personal attack, however, you have assumed a lot with that statement. Some of us have a lot of experience in alpha, beta, regression, blah-blah-blah testing. Quite a few here do so for other companies currently. In addition, I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of us that code as well.

I don't have any hard feelings against not being selected. I volunteered because I was sure I could contribute. With that said I do think they missed an opportunity. Simple communication to those who had thrown their "hats in the ring" would have gotten them a lot of goodwill. Once they had that massive email list they sat on it. The only email I ever received from them was in the early spring of 2010 about a job opening(s).

Cheers.

p.s. Also, I don't think it's taken them that long to program this thing. 3-5 years would be an acceptable time-frame IMO.

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:03 pm

You guys, are back, to this kinda stuff again?

You know, I've put some thought into staying out of this worrying I was a lightning rod. I thought people were loosening up a bit. Guess not?

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:44 pm

hibidy wrote:You guys, are back, to this kinda stuff again?

You know, I've put some thought into staying out of this worrying I was a lightning rod. I thought people were loosening up a bit. Guess not?

Worrying about being this?

elxsound · Post by **elxsound** » Sat Oct 12, 2013 11:47 pm

I will add...

I think the cats play an essential roll here. Yeah, I get why some don't like it, but damn... no cats, means no more lolz, no play and only seriousness. WTF?

The problem is that some people here are actually upset about who knows what regarding BW, and some are upset at those that are upset and in the end I rather have cats.

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