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pdxindy wrote:I don't care about when it ships... I want to know what you think of it! You can talk now! Let's hear it!!
When I first started working with Live (around version 4), my biggest gripe was lack of editing tools. The adaptive pointer and the pencil tool were a huge challenge to get used to and a big reason I continued to do most editing in Pro Tools. While I wouldn't compare BWS to Pro Tools in terms of editing, I am happy to see a full array of editing tools.

The pointer tool is still adaptive, so you can move the pointer to the edge of a clip in the arranger and it will turn into a bracket (so you can move the start or end point of the clip), if you move the pointer to the lower-right edge of a clip the pointer turns into a bracket with a loop so you can loop the current clip as it is (even if the global clip length is longer). If you click on a clip it will be selected and if you click in an empty area, you will set the playback position... etc.

However, there is also a time/object selection tool, a pen tool, an eraser tool and a knife tool. Each have a shortcut (keys 1-5) and they make it much easier for me to do edits quickly. None of this is to say that Ableton's approach is bad, I'm merely trying to illustrate some features that are different between the two.

There is a button in the clip editor that allows you to switch between editing a single clip (as Live does it) or editing all of the Audio or MIDI on a track at once. You can layer multiple tracks of the same kind in the clip editor, so you can compare the timing of edits with other tracks/clips. I don't think you can layer MIDI tracks with Audio tracks. It would be cool if you could but you can quickly switch between active audio and MIDI layers with a button in the editor. You can super-impose an audio track to the background of a MIDI clip but I find myself working the other way a lot (moving audio events to match the position of MIDI notes) and I don't think you can edit the audio in the background.

The inspector (similar to the middle box in Live's Clip Editor) can work like an event editor (which I love). You can edit the properties of individual notes and audio events (these are the edits which can be contained within clips). I really like working this way so it's a big plus for me.

Here are images of the Inspector Panels for Audio and MIDI.
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BMoore wrote: Well.
Performance is key, and it's been asked about several times.
I know we're not entitled to answers, and any participation from beta testers are appreciated, but as far as I can see, there are very few significant questions answered.
I'm not in Beta but i have participated in beta for other software. It seems common for beta software to run extra code in the background which would affect performance. If that's the case for BWS then I doubt the beta testers could give any meaningful info on performance.

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The Mantra wrote:
BMoore wrote: Well.
Performance is key, and it's been asked about several times.
I know we're not entitled to answers, and any participation from beta testers are appreciated, but as far as I can see, there are very few significant questions answered.
I'm not in Beta but i have participated in beta for other software. It seems common for beta software to run extra code in the background which would affect performance. If that's the case for BWS then I doubt the beta testers could give any meaningful info on performance.
Exactly.
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ThomasHelzle wrote:
The Mantra wrote:
BMoore wrote: Well.
Performance is key, and it's been asked about several times.
I know we're not entitled to answers, and any participation from beta testers are appreciated, but as far as I can see, there are very few significant questions answered.
I'm not in Beta but i have participated in beta for other software. It seems common for beta software to run extra code in the background which would affect performance. If that's the case for BWS then I doubt the beta testers could give any meaningful info on performance.
Exactly.
Indeed, even if that weren't the case, it's not really my role as a beta tester to do performance testing.
Internal QA has the ability to compare performance of their application on many different computers, which have been configured exactly the same way (so there are few unknown factors). Most end-users/beta testers do not have that capability. I know I couldn't do that sort of thing from home. Test methodology is very important when it comes to QA and particularly unit testing, performance testing, compatibility testing, etc. That is why these things are done by a team who are following a spec and a test plan. They run tests concurrently, to make sure that results match up and that they don't get anomalous behavior under certain circumstances.

I'm not saying that any person is incapable of doing this kind of testing. I'm just saying, when I'm acting as a beta tester, I take off my QA hat and put on my end-user hat. I hope that makes sense. :)

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TheoM wrote:
BMoore wrote:
ThomasHelzle wrote:
BMoore wrote:I prefer the cats to posts like that. Wow.

On topic:
I'm guessing performance is an issue. It's strange that non of the beta testers has actually stress tested it.
This thread is brilliant to study humanity.
Especially how the human mind is unable to deal with uncertainty.
As soon as there is no information about something, explanations for exactly that which isn't known emanate from out of blue air and are presented like facts.

I prefer cats as well, they simply signify that there is nothing significant to talk about really.
Harmless fun.

Carpe Diem :-)

Cheers,

Tom
Well.
Performance is key, and it's been asked about several times.
I know we're not entitled to answers, and any participation from beta testers are appreciated, but as far as I can see, there are very few significant questions answered.
There was nothing wrong with my post above. Trust you to take issue with it. That said, if they had picked me i'd be devoting at least 4 hrs per day to it, and answering anything whatsoever here that i possible could. So yes, that sucks, not just for me.
i thought you got the beta?
you mentioned in your "no cats"thread after cats got posted that "at least oe good thing came from this thread, i got the beta" or words to that effect?
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ah, k.
i just read the previous page.

jeebus youre like a 4 year old.
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start with you again?
"again" implies that i ever started with you before. i didnt even post in "your" topic, and now im just calling it as i see it.

that is all.
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TheoM wrote:. All you can do vurt is have your little digs at others and post nothings.
that would be because i am busy with various betas, dont really have time for the "soap opera" these days.
but some folk make it hard to ignore.
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Can we please have the cats back?

Cheers,

Tom

P.S. the other thread is also for "catfights" ;-)
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im afraid i have no memory of anything happening before ;shrug:
and i dont really care what you, or anybody else before you feel victimised, thinks of me. i am what i am, i cant help that.

anyway, like i said, that is all.
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