KVR Audio

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:07 pm

freddemillio wrote:Something really seems to have changed with the C7 vst/asio load meter. When I compare the same project in C5.5.3 and C7.0.4, C7 shows much higher meter level readings than C5. I have learned to pretty much ignore this meter.

I have no problems loading and running extremely large projects with 100s of plugins in C7. But, I primarily mix and the C7 mixer is a POS. So, it's C6.5 for me for until the mixer gets sorted out. My guess is C9.5.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 1:13 am

It still sucks.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:07 am

lotus2035 wrote:It still sucks.

It sure does. I was just trying to work a project in C7 and had the project window on monitor 2. The plugin popup window was off the screen with no way to bring it back. I had to move the project window back to monitor 1 to load a f'n plugin. So... I quit working on the project and went back to C6.5 again. What a piece of shit.

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 2:49 am

I just got C7.05 re-stabilized after some VERY BAD advice from the American Steinberg tech reps.

And immediately got the "lazy initialization" with sample-based instruments problem again, not so ironically with Steinberg's own Padshop. Buffers are 3X the size I ran other projects in C5.5.3.

And I've been getting those reduced horizontal size Mix Consoles you all have been talking about.

It was never ready for prime time.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:34 pm

SODDI wrote:I just got C7.05 re-stabilized after some VERY BAD advice from the American Steinberg tech reps.

And immediately got the "lazy initialization" with sample-based instruments problem again, not so ironically with Steinberg's own Padshop. Buffers are 3X the size I ran other projects in C5.5.3.

And I've been getting those reduced horizontal size Mix Consoles you all have been talking about.

It was never ready for prime time.

that's the weird part, C7 is actually very stable and my perfomance is BETTER than 6.5 by a noticeable amount. But, all the windowing issues just make it unusable for me. In my case, based on performance/stability, I'd rather be using C7 crappy/ugly mixer and all.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 4:49 pm

What depresses me is that steinberg took what was IMO the best part of Cubase (the mixer) and went right ahead and killed it. It was probably the best mixer on the DAW market and they replaced it with that monstrosity. I've said it before all they needed to do was update the old mixer with some of the new functions. It was perfect and great to use/look at. Still is.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:41 pm

lotus2035 wrote:What depresses me is that steinberg took what was IMO the best part of Cubase (the mixer) and went right ahead and killed it. It was probably the best mixer on the DAW market and they replaced it with that monstrosity. I've said it before all they needed to do was update the old mixer with some of the new functions. It was perfect and great to use/look at. Still is.

+1

Tp3 · Post by **Tp3** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:17 pm

SJ_Digriz wrote:
lotus2035 wrote:What depresses me is that steinberg took what was IMO the best part of Cubase (the mixer) and went right ahead and killed it. It was probably the best mixer on the DAW market and they replaced it with that monstrosity. I've said it before all they needed to do was update the old mixer with some of the new functions. It was perfect and great to use/look at. Still is.
+1

+2

I plain hate it (the mix-debacle).

I am a legit user since vst32 and for the first time in my life, I can't (or rather - won't) work with Cubase due to its mixer.
it just feels plain "wrong".

Going back to Cubase 6 feels like going home.

The zoom facility is gotta be one of the most horrible design decisions they made. mixers should not "stretch". period. it caused (and causes) so much trouble and the negative things it brings so much outweigh the (few - if at all) positive things that one cannot wonder what the h3ll was going on in their minds when they conceived the idea. I guess there is a good reason that NO ONE in the software industry implemented such an idea, even though its perfectly possible to do so.

Performance is good, sometimes better on my aging machine (9550) and I guess that on newer/newest machines - that difference is probably even more noticeable. but for me, for the time being, C7 is considered "donationware/abandonware".

I don't (!) hate it (Cubase 7).

I just don't like it.

lotus2035 · Post by **lotus2035** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 8:11 pm

Tp3 wrote:Going back to Cubase 6 feels like going home.

Oh yes.

I'm on 6.5 myself and it is just perfect. I worry about the long term situation though. Probably for nothing as maybe 6.5 will run for the next 10 years. But things are changing so rapidly in the world of computer technology who really knows where we will be then. And what serious alternatives do I have, Studio One and Reason are my main contenders, I could maybe use Ableton Live with a push. Haha double meaning there.

vasilis_et.ma · Post by **vasilis_et.ma** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:37 am

Do you find any solutions about the random clicks and pops in cubase 7?

I have fx 8350 and 16gRam,cubase 7 64 bit.

its weird that with only few channels the real time peak goes randomly red!

Thank you!

CableChannel · Post by **CableChannel** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 6:59 am

Same here, realtime ASIO load is really unstable. Kicks the 100% very often. Mostly when jumping around in the project during playback, but also during regular playback. I recently increased my buffer to an incredible 2048 samples (working at 96kHz), that reduced them a bit but not completely. Something is really fishy about the ASIO performance. 15 years ago I was able to get 5ms latency stable, today I am not.

vasilis_et.ma · Post by **vasilis_et.ma** » Wed Oct 23, 2013 9:30 am

Check also this.it helped me but still have problems

Optimizing processor scheduling (Windows only)
To get the lowest possible latencies when using ASIO under Windows (on a single-CPU system), the "system performance" has to be optimized for background tasks:
1.Open the Control Panel and select the System settings.
2.On the left, select the "Advanced system settings" option.
The System Properties dialog opens.
3.Select the Advanced tab and click the "Settings…" button in the Performance section.
The Performance Options dialog opens.
4.Select the Advanced tab and activate the "Adjust for best performance of: Background services" option.
5.Click OK to close the dialogs

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 1:20 am

vasilis_et.ma:
This is a trick from pre-Windows 7 days and doesn't work anymore. The current issues are something else.

Directed to all readers:

Did any of you people document the behavior, and then filed a report through the support?

Most important to know:
What ADC/DAC are you using?
What drivers (version)?
Are you using Cubase in 32bit or 64bit?

If you didn't file anything, do so immediately!
Don't do it in here, write the Tech Support!

Send greets from me, and mention the "ASIO / RME Buffer Size/Latency Issues/Phenomenon" as codeword. This is already forwarded to the developers and being closer looked into.

I filed that end of August 2013, now we have November - some Results should have come up by now. And I will also ask about them the next days, since I want a solution to my issue.

In a nutshell:
I found out with one of the Steinberg techs, that something is wrong with ASIO drivers of several ADC/DAC brands. Most notably M-Audio and RME. A solution to my "issue" was to indeed up the Buffer Size to at least(!) 1024 samples while mixing, which is no solution. And rolling back drivers to a certain version (sometimes not possible)

The MMCSS switch with current RME drivers doesn't help either. And if the "Improvements" in 7.06 do not help (it is said to have some tweaks built into), then something is still wrong.

What you can do:

RAISE YOUR VOICE!
Don't act like that this doesn't concern you.
Don't give in to the stab "your rig is old, time to upgrade".

Something is wrong with the ASIO engine, and I wasted weeks to make that clear. Now you people can back me up with this.

You only need to get in touch with Steinberg Tech Support!

Not KVR boards, not the Steinberg boards. The Tech Support through your user account.

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 5:59 am

vasilis_et.ma wrote:Do you find any solutions about the random clicks and pops in cubase 7?

I have fx 8350 and 16gRam,cubase 7 64 bit.

its weird that with only few channels the real time peak goes randomly red!

Thank you!

Increase your audio buffer number/size.

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 6:06 am

vasilis_et.ma wrote:Check also this.it helped me but still have problems

Optimizing processor scheduling (Windows only)
To get the lowest possible latencies when using ASIO under Windows (on a single-CPU system), the "system performance" has to be optimized for background tasks:
1.Open the Control Panel and select the System settings.
2.On the left, select the "Advanced system settings" option.
The System Properties dialog opens.
3.Select the Advanced tab and click the "Settings…" button in the Performance section.
The Performance Options dialog opens.
4.Select the Advanced tab and activate the "Adjust for best performance of: Background services" option.
5.Click OK to close the dialogs

I've seen exactly the opposite stated as a cure-all. "Let Windows choose what's best for my computer". Allegedly, (from a poster in the Cubase forums) modern machines do not need that tweak.

I dunno, I had it the other way, I'll try the "background services" tweak again. Seems like all I do is tweak shit for Cubase 7.05. ASIO buffers, Windows shit, MIDI settings...

And some guy suggested that you only run Aero graphics on Windows.

It's all hoodoo mumbo jumbo.

Things I hate about... - Cubase 7