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robogone · Post by **robogone** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:04 pm

It seems that we're more arguing the definition of 'perfection' here rather than getting to what is actually perfect. It's highly subjective whichever way you look at it, and so trying to agree on something is going to be near impossible.

Perhaps the thread title should be "Songs or tracks that you find perfect"?

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 2:15 pm

jancivil wrote:
ariston wrote:A zen master might put it this way:

you take care of yourself, the music takes care of itself, and perfection takes care of itself.

I agree, I see striving for perfection as an impediment as well. It takes me out of the moment and into the future, which is like trying to jump over your own shadow.

And that's not my only reason. Perfection is an abstract, man-made concept with no equivalent in nature. Nature doesn't produce things like perfectly-formed square bricks. A perfect world would be static, and nature is always on the move, like an experiment that never stops.

It's a word. Like I said, words are not sufficient. You just went to make a modifier, 'perfect' in 'a perfect square', the <definition of> perfect*. Your "impediment" is tied to a concept I wouldn't tie myself to. You're forcing words to suit you, so you'll take 'striving for perfection' as 'instead of in the moment it's into the future'. You don't HAVE to do that! That's just some words. Why, how is perfection NOT moment-by-moment? *This is cart before the horse stuff.

Why is 'the future vs. the present' an obstacle? Why would I do that, rather than attend to the thing at hand? That {TIME} seems like a matter of chops more than anything else, and in terms of a zen!

Interesting! Again (like many times before), I get the feeling that we mean the same thing but express it differently. Like you said: words.

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:08 pm

robojam wrote:It seems that we're more arguing the definition of 'perfection' here rather than getting to what is actually perfect.

Rather than to persuade, I think the ideas of it are worth talking about.

ontol · Post by **ontol** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 1:57 am

Rah · Post by **Rah** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:18 am

D.H. Miltz · Post by **D.H. Miltz** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 3:32 am

SODDI · Post by **SODDI** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:09 am

aMUSEd wrote:What songs for you are perfect in every way?

Everything that post-punk power pop was supposed to be, this is. Just perfect. Perfect guitars. Perfect production.

Perfect vocals and vocal production. Brian Wilson had to re-record this because the Republican in the Beach Boys wouldn't let him re-do the original. And it shows to such great effect - his voice has changed since he was in his 20s. It's now a man's voice and he sings with all the weight of his years. It's a voice and song of wistful melancholy, so beautiful I near weep every time I hear it. Van Dyke Parks' best lyrics.

Mutt Lange. Guitars. Drums. Enough said. Me and my wife's "song".

popskull · Post by **popskull** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:33 am

Big Star - Big Black Car

Perfect.

cron · Post by **cron** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:17 am

I agree with Sendy in that perfection is indeed a flexible thing, so I'm going with
this one on the basis that it achieves exactly what it's trying to do with exquisite precision and economy. Not an ounce of fat to be heard.

I say keep the debate about perfection rolling, but nowt wrong with posting a track while you're at it.

Rah · Post by **Rah** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 2:27 pm

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:26 pm

This song is like watching an entire universe being born, expand and grow, and then die in glorious cacophony. Heard it live before I got the album, my feet mired in the cold mud and my head shooting sparks. So joyous and sad and ominous and caring and all-encompassing. I've listened to it a hundred times and still can't believe it even exists.

Bronto Scorpio · Post by **Bronto Scorpio** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:41 pm

ariston wrote:This song is like watching an entire universe being born, expand and grow, and then die in glorious cacophony. Heard it live before I got the album, my feet mired in the cold mud and my head shooting sparks. So joyous and sad and ominous and caring and all-encompassing. I've listened to it a hundred times and still can't believe it even exists.

Yeah, I love that track too!

Another "perfect" track I'm listening to a lot recently:
One of my favorite albums this year!

Cheers
Dennis

ariston · Post by **ariston** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:45 pm

Oh, Tim Hecker has a new album? I only know Ravedeath, but I really enjoyed it, although I can't listen to it all the time...

Gotta check it out, thanks for the heads-up.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:49 pm

the album has a few other tracks that also have that "special something"

folk/oompah pop with a message. i cant help but love it.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:54 pm

robojam wrote:It seems that we're more arguing the definition of 'perfection' here rather than getting to what is actually perfect. It's highly subjective whichever way you look at it, and so trying to agree on something is going to be near impossible.

Perhaps the thread title should be "Songs or tracks that you find perfect"?

I thought most people would understand that was implicit anyway.

Perfect songs and tracks