KVR Audio

Integratron · Post by **Integratron** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 9:46 pm

cryophonik wrote:
bluedad wrote:I tried the demo for S1, and my conclusion is I love Cubase 5.
I owned S1 v2 Producer twice and my conclusion is I love Sonar X3.

S1 is a nice DAW. Some things about it just really bugged me, though, particularly the automation and the fact that track orders in the console and arrange views don't stay in sync - most idiotic and annoying "feature" I've ever seen in a DAW. I really do like the way it handles MIDI controllers and its ability to create custom layouts for them - I'd kill for some of those features in Sonar.

I'd agree - I don't like the "scrambled eggs" relationship between the console and track views.

I was working on some drum maps for EZdrummer last night and that worked well however!

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 10:19 pm

It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's stable and does some nice things.

woodsdenis · Post by **woodsdenis** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:12 pm

hibidy wrote:It's not perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's stable and does some nice things.

Yep what it does well is worth the price of admission IMO, great workflow options and stable.

Loads of things it doesnt have, midi editing is functional as is automation. That being said its my preferred writing DAW and I mix most things on it.

SWallace · Post by **SWallace** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:15 pm

Integratron wrote: I'd agree - I don't like the "scrambled eggs" relationship between the console and track views.

This was fixed with 2.6

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:48 pm

Really? Are you sure?

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:55 pm

I don't know what is meant by scrambled eggs, but if I move a track position I don't see that change in the mixer section. So have I missed a setting someplace in 2.6?

This is probably the only thing I don't like about S1.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Integratron · Post by **Integratron** » Thu Oct 24, 2013 11:59 pm

SWallace wrote:
Integratron wrote: I'd agree - I don't like the "scrambled eggs" relationship between the console and track views.
This was fixed with 2.6

Maybe on your system but not on mine... even with the link engaged in the track panel.

I'll check it again but last I looked it was all over the road!

tuzemec · Post by **tuzemec** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:45 am

I was using S1 and Cubase till now. But I'm going through a machine upgrade this weekend and I don't plan to install Cubase at all.

S1 have everything I need from a DAW. In the beginning I was missing cubase's "independent track loop" and "middle-click for pan", but... I can live without that.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:10 am

I love S1! I feel I'm betraying my first love (Logic), but anyway, I'm not loyal in daws, so sometimes I even spend some nights with Reaper.
I didn't like the demo of S1, but I bought the producer edition when in discount to replace Cubase Elements 6 in Windows, but I found myself using S1/Windows more than Logic/OS X or even S1/OS X.
Oh well, life is good

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:37 am

Studio One has 90% of what I need and does not have 90% of what I don't need. It's just a pure DAW with no bells and whistles but very ergonomically and logically organized. I don't think I would ever change my DAW.

Also tried FL Studio and Ableton, both offer some cute features but have certain basic operations unnecessarily cluttered (esp. FL Studio).

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:43 am

Integratron wrote:
SWallace wrote:
Integratron wrote: I'd agree - I don't like the "scrambled eggs" relationship between the console and track views.
This was fixed with 2.6
Maybe on your system but not on mine... even with the link engaged in the track panel.

I'll check it again but last I looked it was all over the road!

+1 here and this for me is the biggest problem with S1 right now. It seems like a small thing until you start working on bigger projects with more than 16 tracks (I tend to average around 60 - 70 per track).

For me, everything seems to stay in order in 2.6 UNTIL you start using folders. I've also reported this to Presonus and they confirmed it, but I think that more people need to get behind this as it would make the application way more usable and encourage a fix sooner.

Other strange behaviour regarding track ordering occurs when you insert an FX channel and then follow that with more audio and instrument tracks. The audio tracks end up on the left of the FX channel and the instrument tracks on the right, it becomes a mess.

Though, I think S1 is absolutely awesome and would love to switch to it from Cubase, but this stage, I much prefer Cubase 6.5.5 for everything.

recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:54 am

Also if you rename a virtual instrument track you have to do it twice - in the left panel of the arranger window and in the mixer. And also when you select several adjacent tracks and add buss for them, the buss is added to the right of the leftmost selected track - I find it illogical, would be better if the buss was added to the right of the rightmost one or to the left of the leftmost one or in a special place in the mixer dedicated for busses.

However, if we have to go down to such minor things to find out something to complain about this should mean that S1 is really-really great DAW.

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:17 am

Im a recent convert.

Bought v1 Artist for $20 bucks in No Brainer sale and upgraded to V2 Producer for $99 just recently.

Biggest bang for the buck ever.

Ive tried every DAW and found most either too bloated, buggy or shit.
Ended up with Live which I love but fancied a different approach.

S1 is great in my opinion, no bloat, useful features.
CPU wise its comparable to Live9 on my core2duo 1.8Ghz laptop.

I love theway it handles time stretching and Quantise.

'Feels' easier/nicer than Live for programming patterns and arranging.

The Macro system looks really cool and I need to dig into this further.

Controller support seems a bit dated but is easy to set up for individual plugins and bits of teh host.
Im used to remote scripts In Live which means I dont even need to look at Live for alot of stuff and have added funcionality for the Launchpad and SLMkii which I miss in S1

fgimian · Post by **fgimian** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:22 am

recursive one wrote:Also if you rename a virtual instrument track you have to do it twice - in the left panel of the arranger window and in the mixer. And also when you select several adjacent tracks and add buss for them, the buss is added to the right of the leftmost selected track - I find it illogical, would be better if the buss was added to the right of the rightmost one or to the left of the leftmost one or in a special place in the mixer dedicated for busses.

However, if we have to go down to such minor things to find out something to complain about this should mean that S1 is really-really great DAW.

+1 to those points too. And I do hear your point about the minor things, but these little things add up unfortunately. Factor in the fact that keyboard shortcuts don't work on most plugins (e.g. arrows for browsing presets) and the amazing workflow is offset quite heavily by all these little problems which work against the software. I'm keeping my license for the time being and am eagerly waiting for the next hotfix to see if Presonus will sort out some of these issues

VariKusBrainZ · Post by **VariKusBrainZ** » Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:54 am

soundpalace wrote: Factor in the fact that keyboard shortcuts don't work on most plugins (e.g. arrows for browsing presets)

Are we talking no presets showing, or you can see them but the arrows dont work?

I assumed presets not showing was because the plugin does not publish them to the host, so this would be the same in all hosts. Its certainly true of Live.

Some Love for Studio One