Some Love for Studio One

[LawrenceF]

I'm sorry to say this as i consider Michael a friend, but he over-reacts and over emphasizes regularly and some of the things he views as bugs are actually just FR's. I agree with some of his FR's actually, but he seems to call too many of them bugs.

I say that respectfully, because he's a nice guy and i like him. But if you look on the S1 forum you'll see his multiple FR's with multiple exclamation points !!!!! all over the place. Everything is over dramatized (Sorry Michael), and (recently, which seems to be the case here also now) he's using really large text because i assume he thinks people won't read his comments otherwise and he seems to take personal offense when people don't agree with his FR's or comments.

At any rate, if an automation part doesn't behave the way you'd prefer, but actually does behave the way it was designed, that isn't a bug, that's an FR.

I think someone in the Bitwig thread suggested he relax a little about that also, because it seems, literally everything is always really, really important!!!!!! .

Great guy, perpetually excited (too much coffee?) and really, really personally sensitive about his FR's and automation.

[SWallace]

The automation FR is an excellent suggestion.

[LawrenceF]

It is.

But the idea that he's found 200 bugs in S1 is quite silly. Maybe more like 195 FR's and 5 bugs. Defending common sense, not S1. If you have a list of 200 bugs you probably shouldn't be using the software, if it's that buggy.

[murnau]

I say that respectfully, because he's a nice guy and i like him. But if you look on the S1 forum you'll see his multiple FR's with multiple exclamation points !!!!! all over the place. Everything is over dramatized (Sorry Michael), and (recently, which seems to be the case here also now) he's using really large text because i assume he thinks people won't read his comments otherwise and he seems to take personal offense when people don't agree with his FR's or comments.

wow.. maybe he's some kind of savant like my brother..

[LawrenceF]

The point of my comments wasn't to be rude, but to maybe avoid the argument that was about to bubble up between him and firepile.

That's just Michael, he was not calling firepile a liar, he just always refuses to accept that anyone might experience something different or feel differently about an idea or request. Once you understand that it's not a big deal anymore.

So it wasn't to be rude, but to maybe help firepile understand what was happening there before he took too much offense from it.

[dredd i knight]

The point of my comments wasn't to be rude, but to maybe avoid the argument that was about to bubble up between him and firepile.

That's just Michael, he was not calling firepile a liar, he just always refuses to accept that anyone might experience something different or feel differently about an idea or request. Once you understand that it's not a big deal anymore.

So it wasn't to be rude, but to maybe help firepile understand what was happening there before he took too much offense from it.

I applaud your sensitivity and foresight!

[jacqueslacouth]

gone

[Andywanders]

I left Cubase for Studio One a while back and not once regretted it.

I was on version 5 of Cubase and kept putting off up-grading, then I tried Studio One.

Mind you, I've got nothing bad to say about Cubase and I still fire it up occasionally and play around. It's a great DAW and it's rock-solid here. But when I want to just concentrate on getting the music out of my head, Studio One can't be beaten.

[murnau]

I left Cubase for Studio One a while back and not once regretted it.

same here..

[ras.s]

In the background, I'm doing a plugin scan. It'll take a while so I'll vent here in the mean while. Of course it will crash as it finds plugins it can't handle, so it'll take a while.

I had to click the 'reset blacklisted plugins' and start doing a full scan 'cause I made some re-arrangements in my plugin folder and the browser in S1 kept telling me I've got stuff in folders on my hard-drive that just don't exist anymore. Was quite furiating - I couldn't load my instruments.

The way it handles the plugin (and preset!) scanning is quite good, I admit, but this isn't the first time I haven't been able to load stuff because I got two versions of a plugin or S1 can't find the plugin from where it's looking for it. I guess I shouldn't try and make any order in my folders.

What I've done earlier is I've just edited manually the "Vstplugins.settings" file that is hidden in my user folder. This time that didn't work, so I'll just go and endure the full scan. (Fourth crash while writing this just occured.)

While I was in that folder I noticed I've got 264 megabytes, total of 1316 individual files, worth of crash dumps, dating from 2011 (1.6.3.) to this very hour (2.6.whatever). I wonder if I can send them to Presonus in one big .zip file?


This is relatively small nuisance for me though, I don't have to go through this too often.

What does drive me on the border of insanity at times is when I'm recording MIDI with it, and I've got a loop region set so I can have multiple takes.. What it does way too often is that the first notes are half the length of the loop (say, 8 bars) and there's nothing else on the first half than that. It's the last take, the one that I often think that "Ok, that was good". I hit stop and then that happens and I just want to beat the living shit out of the software. No way I'll ask anyone to come and record at my place if that is likely to happen. "So you got a great take there, but my software just messed it up, could you do it again, please?"


And another thing, I recently bought the plugin MUX from Mutools. The instrument version has two stereo inputs which I have no way of accessing in Studio One. MUX is a modular host and I want to access those inputs. Good I still got my good ol' EnergyXT, for when I want to make some music.




I've been thinking about selling my license, I've got the Professional one, but I think it's worth like four dollars and half a small fish?

I guess I'm deep into the love-hate territory by now.

(Seven crashes and counting, one of which resulted to "Studio One is already running" so I had to kill the bugger the hard way)



edit: Ok, so now that scan is done, it actually lost plugins that loaded perfectly well before. 'bong' is nowhere to be found now, so no drumming today. I wonder what else it lost, I guess I'll find that out by loading my old projects. Six dollars and three quarters of a fish anyone?

[LawrenceF]

Sounds like some good reasons to stick with Mulab and just push S1 aside.

Apps that really frustrate me find a pretty quick and permanent time out.

[ras.s]

Well I don't have Mulab (I guess you mixed things up when I mentioned MUX?). What pisses me off here is the investment I've made into S1 -- not the money, but the time. I've got it for over two years now and I've got over two years worth of songs in it, some finished, some not, all sorts of templates for various stuff, effect chains, macros. If I had spent the time learning Reaper, I'd probably - uhh - like it by now. And I've got used to some of the features that S1 has, a lot of which my other host (eXT) doesn't have.

This latest thing with refusing to load plugins it loaded before is really bad though, it cripples my projects. Even though I can get the MIDI out of them, or just play them all over again, I can't get the actual sounds back. (The Vstplugins.settings-file is showing a lot of :( right now.) If I start making a switch, it'll take a long time, which is out of my music making time.

The host is my most important instrument and it feels like I've got a guitar with a broken neck now.

[LawrenceF]

Sounds like a bad situation.

What's your forum handle over there at the S1 forum? Give me that and I'll read some of your tech support posts and try to help where and if i can. I know the app pretty well so point me in the right direction and if i can help in any way i will. Not saying i will be able to but maybe.

Have you had any luck with official support?

[CTStump]

Well I don't have Mulab (I guess you mixed things up when I mentioned MUX?). What pisses me off here is the investment I've made into S1 -- not the money, but the time. I've got it for over two years now and I've got over two years worth of songs in it, some finished, some not, all sorts of templates for various stuff, effect chains, macros. If I had spent the time learning Reaper, I'd probably - uhh - like it by now. And I've got used to some of the features that S1 has, a lot of which my other host (eXT) doesn't have.

This latest thing with refusing to load plugins it loaded before is really bad though, it cripples my projects. Even though I can get the MIDI out of them, or just play them all over again, I can't get the actual sounds back. (The Vstplugins.settings-file is showing a lot of right now.) If I start making a switch, it'll take a long time, which is out of my music making time.

The host is my most important instrument and it feels like I've got a guitar with a broken neck now.

There is no need to torture yourself, that in itself is a waste of valuable time.

You can always learn a new platform WHILE you ween yourself off Studio One.

I run more than one platform myself and am not dependent on any one solution myself. Hopefully you can find your own workable solution(or follow Lawrence's helpful advice).

edit: the one good thing is if you want to jump ship you got the resale option as mentioned. I find that option a particularly brave position for Presonus given Cakewalk's lisencing(or others not mentioned), at least your not completely out if all else fails.

[crazyfiltertweaker]

If you edit Folder Parts with the editing possibilties like copying&pasting, duplicating, moving and deleting and there are Bus or Send FX Automation stacked on these Folder Parts or seperated inside folders, folder part editing steps are not working together with Bus and Send FX Automations! So you must edit your bus and send automations always seperated.

You can expect from folder part editing, that EVERYTHING, which is inside a folder, is edited with the folder part!


Furthermore: if you select automation, move it to another place and back, the appearance is completely different at the end depending on that what comes after it!