Cakewalk Sonar X3

[Prunesquallor]

They hosed X2 users.

Unfortunate, yeah, but probably due to circumstances beyond their control. They were being sold, remember?

This is speculation, but they were probably told to down tools until the situation was resolved. Oh, and there was probably a gagging clause as well.

They probably didn't know where their next pay cheque was coming from, if it makes you happy.

While you present an intriguing plotline, cake's release and update schedule is well established. The x3 schedule and leftover x2 bugs is bidness as usual, regardless of paychecks and buyouts.

Silence on the forums for a year, and one update(?) for X2 instead of the usual three spells something odd in my book. And of course they had to release something. It is a business, and if I know coders they were putting in long hours to hit the deadline.

[wetdentist]

X3 rules. no more weird graphic issues that existed in X2. comping is a dream now. recording this new EP has been so smooth.

[vintagevibe]

I thought about upgrading my X2 but I can't get back on the Cakewalk train any more. Sonar 8.5 was great. 8 was a nightmare. X1 was a nightmare. X2 was constant little things that were broken and destroyed my work flow. All reports are that X3 is stable but then X4 is all too likely to be the next nightmare.
Add that to the fact that Sonar will never have usable notation and I've just had it with that company. I've been with Cakewalk since 1992 and they finally drove me away. I boot up X2 and the now line disappears, I get crashes, tools don't work correctly... I boot up Cubase 7 and it just works. Cubase has has many updates since 7.0. Sonar X2 was abandoned. I need a company that stands behind their product.

[SuperG]

According to 'Things I hate about Cubase', the program is full of bugs and disappointments - mostly of ex-Sonar users who have found that the grass ain't greener on the other side.

You must be the exception.

Anyway, us Sonar users are happy to have those Divas over there - let 'em p*ss on Steinberg's lawn instead of here.

[vintagevibe]

According to this thread Sonar is "full of bugs and disappointments". I just go by personal experience.

[vintagevibe]

A really cool thing about the Cubase forum is that it's really about the software. People don't get personally insulted if you have complaints. Whereas over the years the Cakewalk forum has turned into a boys club where anyone with complaints is considered a troll. It's really a shame.

[satYatunes]

Sonar X2 was abandoned. I need a company that stands behind their product.

I am not keeping track of Cubase versions, do they release upgrades for earlier versions like 4, 5, 6.5, etc.? I have never seen any such news so just curious, that's all.

[SuperG]

The Cakewalk forums are quite a nice place to be, and yes, trolls and the overly self-important twit do get the cold shoulder, which it's such a nice place to be. It's all about helping people, not about providing a platform for the narcissistic to rant.

I suppose Steinberg works for those types, I hear they just ignore them.

[vintagevibe]

The "self-important twits" are forum members such as yourself that use the forum as a social life replacement and don't get that its just software. They get personally insulted whenever they hear negative things about Sonar and take on a high school boys club mentality. There are still some grownups on the forum that can be quite helpful but they are in the minority these days. There used to be quite a lot of actual professional on the Cakewalk forum but these days it's mostly hobbyists. Luckily the Cubase forum is more professional and therefore far more useful.

[SuperG]

Really? I'd say that it's 'just software' as well, but twits (such as yourself?) rant about trivialities - usually of their own making. If you ask for help, you'll get it, gladly. If you want to report a bug, no problem. If you want your wounded professional (self-important?) ego stroked - forget it - people are busy helping others.

What you describe as a boys club, well just look around. You can rant and bash all you want here. And don't forget to tell everyone within shouting distance what a 'Professional' you are.


Steingberg's Cubase forum looks deader than a doornail... no wonder nothing's happening there. Not much help there.

[Gonga]

According to 'Things I hate about Cubase', the program is full of bugs and disappointments - mostly of ex-Sonar users who have found that the grass ain't greener on the other side.

You must be the exception.

Anyway, us Sonar users are happy to have those Divas over there - let 'em p*ss on Steinberg's lawn instead of here.

Much happier with Cubase here after 15 years with Cakewalk.

SONAR has its advantages...it's a good DAW. The one-screen interface and the channel strip are great for example. But Cubase works much better for me with fewer bugs.

All forums have real help and real twits available to discuss / argue with.

Cubase does not continue to support older versions with bug fixes I don't think. They do good job of debugging before moving on to the next version, but not perfect. Not much different than Cake in this regard imo.

[icontakt]

Sonar X2 was abandoned. I need a company that stands behind their product.

I am not keeping track of Cubase versions, do they release upgrades for earlier versions like 4, 5, 6.5, etc.? I have never seen any such news so just curious, that's all.

IIRC Steinberg released one patch for C5 after they released C6. Or was it a C6 patch after C7?

[SJ_Digriz]

Sonar X2 was abandoned. I need a company that stands behind their product.

I am not keeping track of Cubase versions, do they release upgrades for earlier versions like 4, 5, 6.5, etc.? I have never seen any such news so just curious, that's all.

IIRC Steinberg released one patch for C5 after they released C6. Or was it a C6 patch after C7?

yes

[ULAS]

SONAR X3c Update:


Stability

Resolved a crash related to cancelling multiple ARA audio to MIDI track conversions using Esc
Resolved occasional crashes when exporting with Region FX enabled
Resolved a crash after undoing a clip gain change and applying a track volume envelope
Resolved a crash that could occur when closing document with an older version of the ProChannel EQ enabled
Resolved a crash related to adding 1/32 triplet notes in the Staff View
Resolved a crash in projects with ProChannel enabled on Surround busses
Resolved a crash when inserting Waves stereo FX in mono tracks
Resolved a crash when selecting "Selected Track inputs..." menu item in a project with no tracks
Resolved a crash related to pressing CTRL+A
Resolved a crash related to cloning a track containing a VST with MIDI out enabled
Resolved a hang that could occur when dragging tracks and folders


Automation

Switching Screensets could sometimes cause envelopes to become unselectable
Multiple drags of a selection containing MIDI clip and automation could create a new track
VST3 bypass automation could not be recorded (CWBRN-20063)


User Interface

Collapsed Track Inspector would appear briefly on project load
Console View Options - Playback Meter Options was labeled incorrectly
About box text was displayed in English on Spanish installs
Inspector collapse button would reflect the inverse state in some circumstances
Docked VSTs would not draw correctly in the multidock at project launch
Fixed issues where the Track Inspector/ProChannel would not draw correctly on launch
Double-click maximize and "Fit Project" would not work correctly in projects with hidden tracks
Erase Tool right-click Lasso now works on MIDI Tracks.
Improved Mouse Wheel Zoom/Scroll in the Track View
Fixed conditions where track controls can overlap
Wrong order of tab indexes in edit>preferences>folder locations window (CWBRN-8005)


FX Chains

Missing Plugin Stand-in message would be shown when inserting an FX Chain (CWBRN-20456)
When the plugin count was over 1000, plugins could not be evoked from FX chains
Errors would occasionally occur when assigning FX Chain controls to VST3 plugins
Fixed a condition in which the Browser would not display FX Chain Presets
VST3 plugins in from ProChannel FX Chain would not display properly after switching screensets
Fixed envelope tooltips for plugins hosted within FX chains


Grouping

Quick grouping of controls on the Tape Emulator could fail after manipulating Noise control
Quick Grouped Mute buttons would not work on Instrument tracks in the Console View.
Quick group on Console Emulator was offset when changing types.
Fixed multi-clip relative crop
Grouped archive button would not work correctly on first track in a project


Audio Engine

ASIO Buffer Size was not displayed in Driver Settings dialog
Fixed issues related to enabling ProChannel on frozen tracks


Lanes/Comping

The "Store takes on separate tracks" setting caused record overlap clip mutes to fail
Could not convert MIDI Groove Clips on lanes to Step Sequencer without first flattening the comp
Fixed errors when exposing lanes on cloned instrument tracks
Process>Slide on lanes could not be undone
Fixed incorrect Smart Tool cursors on automation lanes
Comp track inline PRV displayed notes on lanes that were excluded by lane solo
Fixed inconsistent crossfade creation on Take Lanes
Addressed conditions in which Delete Empty Lanes would fail
Fixed problems that lead to inaudible clips when freezing tracks with muted or soloed lanes
Freezing a track could cause its lanes to open
Addressed conditions where duplicate take names could be generated
Tempo changes could cause comp clips to draw incorrectly
Healing multiple clips could cause excessive flickering
Tracks could scroll off screen on clicking the Edit Filter with lanes maximized.
Clips could become uneditable after shift clicking automation in a parent track, then opening lanes
Fixed issues with zooming on Lanes
Undo could unexpectedly unmute take lanes
Addressed issues with selection failing when showing multiple take lanes
Double-clicking a MIDI comp clip would not open the appropriate editing view


Views

Text notes would not persist in the Playlist View
Fixed a number of issues related to PRV Snap to Grid
Fixed issues related to opening the PRV at a specific location
Nudge would not work in PRV from right to left when "Slide over old to make room" was set in Preferences
With Snap to Grid off, manipulating any snap settings will now re-enable Snap to Grid
Staff View did not display track name in single track projects
Step Record would allow choosing an invalid destination track
Partial envelope selections would not be rendered correctly after drag and drop
Bounce to Clip was not working properly on MIDI clips on Instrument Tracks
"Move Input Focus to Mains" would move focus to busses
Track Inspector Lock wouldn't persist on Insert New Track
Track Solo Button would get out of sync with Soft Synths (CWBRN-13919)


Plug-ins

Fixed a variety of issues where VST3 Waves Plugin parameters would not persist correctly
Insert synth did not work with multi-out VST3 instruments like Steinberg Halion Sonic
Steinberg RND Portico plugins would crash
Fixed a crash when scanning Arturia VST3
Addressed VST2.4 to VST3 migration issues with Waves V9
VST2 Plugins saved in custom plugin layouts now correctly migrating to VST3
Fixed compatibility issues with Waves plugins
Fixed compatibility issues with GARRITAN ARIA Player
Fixed compatibility issues with Pod Farm 2.55
Resolved a crash using the TAL Bassline 101
VST3 Presets saved in Cubase would not load in SONAR
Fixed a potential hang during VST scan
Some Waves plugins were incorrectly flagged as having MIDI out functionality
Fixed a Plugin Manager version mismatch
Default plug-in layout could display VST3 plug-ins within the VST2 folder
Addressed an issue where Host Bypass displayed incorrectly for FabFilter synths in an Instrument Track
Fixed compatibility issues with MDA plugins
Fixed compatibility issues with Guitar Rig 5
Plugin windows would re-size incorrectly when dragged from the Multidock
Host Bypass would not always work correctly if used while the transport was stopped
Fixed a variety of issues related to large plugin counts
VST Scanner was incompatible with Windows Vista
Can now use MIDI input on VST audio plugins
RegionFX menu could show non-ARA plugins in X3 until re-scan, if X2 was present

[AROSSA [Cakewalk]]

I thought about upgrading my X2 but I can't get back on the Cakewalk train any more. Sonar 8.5 was great. 8 was a nightmare. X1 was a nightmare. X2 was constant little things that were broken and destroyed my work flow. All reports are that X3 is stable but then X4 is all too likely to be the next nightmare.
Add that to the fact that Sonar will never have usable notation and I've just had it with that company. I've been with Cakewalk since 1992 and they finally drove me away. I boot up X2 and the now line disappears, I get crashes, tools don't work correctly... I boot up Cubase 7 and it just works. Cubase has has many updates since 7.0. Sonar X2 was abandoned. I need a company that stands behind their product.

You said: "All reports are that X3 is stable but then X4 is all too likely to be the next nightmare."

I guess since you can't criticize X3, you'll just take jabs at a product that hasn't even been released and won't be for a long time. Nice.