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mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:49 pm

Compyfox wrote:Okay, I take that back. I could find the "bitbridge", which is actually an automatic process as soon as I implement the VST folder for 32bit plugins into Cubase.

But... as expected, it doesn't work with everything. Some Slate Plugins don#t work (show as missing), Thrillseeker XTC Blue doesn#t work, HOFA's Goniometer doesn't work, neither does POISE (which is known by the dev, and there's an x64 version as well). And that's just for this project.

The load is still crap with 32bit plugins, btw.
Next Cubase, dropped 32bit! Pretty sure of that... all warning lights are on currently.

If you are running a 64bit OS the 32bit DAW is going to suck.. no way around it. If you need 32bit with great performance, go with a 32bit OS. (Or 64bit DAW on 64bit OS obviously)

32bit plugins bridged in 64bit DAW are going to suck.. no way around that either. Cubase bridge is great and automatic, but might not be as efficient as JBridge. You could try that if you really really need something that can't be had as 64bit and Cubases bridge fails. I run some stuff bridged too (Powercore, LiquidMix, Sampletank). JBridge gives me better performance and stability.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 8:57 pm

If you are running a 64bit OS the 32bit DAW is going to suck.. no way around it. If you need 32bit with great performance, go with a 32bit OS. (Or 64bit DAW on 64bit OS obviously)

never had any problem with x86 Cubase 6.5 on x64 OS.. ..but 6.5 isn't the problem here.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:05 pm

Same here. Issues started to show up as soon as C7 or better said the ASIO 2.3 engine got installed.

The thing is with the bridge... Backwards compatibility. I have a load of projects in 32bit. So if I want to reload them at a later state, I either need to write down ALL SETTINGS in the project, or install two Cubase versions and the plugins in different bit in parallel.

standalone · Post by **standalone** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:11 pm

Compyfox wrote:I guess this is the beginning of the end of Cubase being also available in 32bit. If they'd only admit it that they messed up, for §=$)("§/ sake!

Cubase 7 works fine for me on a 32 bit OS ...

... Windows XP 32!

So I don't see that end from my end.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:17 pm

I meant future versions.

mkdr · Post by **mkdr** » Tue Oct 29, 2013 9:31 pm

murnau wrote:
If you are running a 64bit OS the 32bit DAW is going to suck.. no way around it. If you need 32bit with great performance, go with a 32bit OS. (Or 64bit DAW on 64bit OS obviously)
never had any problem with x86 Cubase 6.5 on x64 OS.. ..but 6.5 isn't the problem here.

Well yeah, no "problems", sure. But it runs quicker natively. Biggest issue is low latency performance.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:19 am

Compyfox wrote:Same here. Issues started to show up as soon as C7 or better said the ASIO 2.3 engine got installed.

The thing is with the bridge... Backwards compatibility. I have a load of projects in 32bit. So if I want to reload them at a later state, I either need to write down ALL SETTINGS in the project, or install two Cubase versions and the plugins in different bit in parallel.

All my old 32 bit cubase projects loaded up fine with the proper settings and the 64 bit plugins loaded in place of the old 32 bit ones when I finally went fully 64 bit. I don't think you need the old versions of your plugins in order to load old projects.

Compyfox · Post by **Compyfox** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 1:47 am

I do, if the ID is different.

Ah_Dziz · Post by **Ah_Dziz** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 2:00 am

Well the Ids of the 200 or so plugins I reinstalled as 64 bit or bridged were the same so not super bad odds. It would be worth trying anyway to see if there are major issues to be overcome. Stability has been much better for me with a 64 bit host.

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:13 pm

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Septimon · Post by **Septimon** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:22 pm

TheoM wrote: Why misinform, people like this? Just for balance as I don't want,people to think they would be better off running a 32 bit daw in a 32 bit OS, it is in fact the most desirable of running a 32 bit host to run it in a 64 bit OS. The exact opposite of what you said and no performance penalty at all.

so true!

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:30 pm

TheoM wrote:
mkdr wrote:
murnau wrote:
If you are running a 64bit OS the 32bit DAW is going to suck.. no way around it. If you need 32bit with great performance, go with a 32bit OS. (Or 64bit DAW on 64bit OS obviously)
never had any problem with x86 Cubase 6.5 on x64 OS.. ..but 6.5 isn't the problem here.
Well yeah, no "problems", sure. But it runs quicker natively. Biggest issue is low latency performance.
Why misinform, people like this? Just for balance as I don't want,people to think they would be better off running a 32 bit daw in a 32 bit OS, it is in fact the most desirable of running a 32 bit host to run it in a 64 bit OS. The exact opposite of what you said and no performance penalty at all.

yep, i only mention the 4GB RAM you have with x86 DAW in x64 OS.
or take VSL Pro with own Process in 64bit if you want (even if you have 32bit DAW in 64bit OS)

so for 32bit DAW 64bit OS is always better.

Painmooser · Post by **Painmooser** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 5:59 pm

mkdr wrote:
Well yeah, no "problems", sure. But it runs quicker natively. Biggest issue is low latency performance.

u have proof? i always thought 32bit cubase is a tick faster than 64bit... ofc when not using much memory etc just raw processing power

Painmooser · Post by **Painmooser** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 6:01 pm

TheoM wrote:
mkdr wrote:
murnau wrote:
If you are running a 64bit OS the 32bit DAW is going to suck.. no way around it. If you need 32bit with great performance, go with a 32bit OS. (Or 64bit DAW on 64bit OS obviously)
never had any problem with x86 Cubase 6.5 on x64 OS.. ..but 6.5 isn't the problem here.
Well yeah, no "problems", sure. But it runs quicker natively. Biggest issue is low latency performance.
Why misinform, people like this? Just for balance as I don't want,people to think they would be better off running a 32 bit daw in a 32 bit OS, it is in fact the most desirable of running a 32 bit host to run it in a 64 bit OS. The exact opposite of what you said and no performance penalty at all.

yeah this what i thought based on gearslutz benchmarks.. 64bit os and 32bit daw is the way to go eíf you dont need massive ram

xmichaelp · Post by **xmichaelp** » Wed Oct 30, 2013 9:10 pm

Sorry to be that guy but I posted this in the other Cubase thread on the first page and it's still the last post, any insight would be awesome.

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Hey, can anyone tell me how Cubase 7 performance is on a mac? How would it compare vs. Live 9? or even Studio One pro 2.5?

I'm currently demoing S1 free edition and Cubase elements now that it's available and am trying to choose which DAW I'll buy.

Thanks in advance guys.

Quick edit: Hell I'd even like to know how it stacks up to Logic Pro X cpu wise. I still haven't completely ruled LX out, but I will admit I'm not too interested in it.

Things I hate about... - Cubase 7