Maschine Studio and Maschine 2.0!!!

[topaz]

%90 of the new features you listed here are mixing based, the issue I have is NI have not improved the sequencing in any way.

Ultimately I bought maschine to sequence drums but they seem to have forgot about that part of it and concentrated on FX and routing, all of wich my DAW already has.

I'm debating if I want to upgrade from 1.8. It seems too expensive to me, but then again, I use Maschine less than a lot of other instruments. Supposedly they made it run much smoother, does it function better/faster as a plugin now?

The new drum synths alone with modeling of acoustic and electronic drums is already worth $99 imo.

There's so much new stuff to even go into it all since 2.0 is a complete rewrite. Unlimited groups, unlimited plugins, unlimited scenes, new mixer, multicore support, sidechain, new 32-bit float internal summing audio engine, scene loop range, gate on note repeat, choke groups across groups, improved sample layering, internal MIDI routing, MIDI import, full MIDI CC support, full MIDI mapping of every Maschine parameter...etc. plus free license to Massive, Reaktor Prism, Solid Bus Comp, Scarbee MK1, and Komplete Elements. There's some more info on the new features here: http://www.native-instruments.com/en/pr ... -features/[/quote]

[bunnywrench]

%90 of the new features you listed here are mixing based, the issue I have is NI have not improved the sequencing in any way.

Ultimately I bought maschine to sequence drums but they seem to have forgot about that part of it and concentrated on FX and routing, all of wich my DAW already has.

Yes, they have improved the sequencing in many ways.

If you're already ok with sequencing in a DAW with a workflow based around clicking menus on a computer screen, then you probably don't need Maschine.

[topaz]

I haven't got the update and saw no improvements to the sequencing in the release notes.

Can you please tell us what they have improved?

Does it now have groove templates?
Can you batch import midi grooves ?
Are there now names of kit pieces in piano roll ?
Can you apply swing or grooves to note repeat ?

%90 of the new features you listed here are mixing based, the issue I have is NI have not improved the sequencing in any way.

Ultimately I bought maschine to sequence drums but they seem to have forgot about that part of it and concentrated on FX and routing, all of wich my DAW already has.

Yes, they have improved the sequencing in many ways.

If you're already ok with sequencing in a DAW with a workflow based around clicking menus on a computer screen, then you probably don't need Maschine.

[DrGonzo]

I haven't got the update and saw no improvements to the sequencing in the release notes.

Can you please tell us what they have improved?

Does it now have groove templates?
Can you batch import midi grooves ?
Are there now names of kit pieces in piano roll ?
Can you apply swing or grooves to note repeat ?

I think it's clear that NI has a different market group in mind than you and me.

I am right now working on a quite spectacular drum library based on the 909 that will be totally impossible to port to the Maschine. No effing round robin. How stupid is that? We talk about the simplest of all functions to implement. When I first bought Maschine (v1.0) I was baffled on how incredibly limited it was - from a sound designing point of view, Maschine is not a step forward but a few step backwards. I'm not saying that the features of v2.0 is bad - far from it. But when users have repeatedly requested features for years - it's quite obvious they don't listen. No real time time stretch (that already exists in their other products) - but we get a free copy of Massive! And a few compressors and drum synths! Massive? I already own two licenses of Massive - I don't need a third one. I am very curious on the drum synths - but I want more meat on the friggin bones. A design engine - and quite possibly a sequencer engine - that would be in time with the year we are living in. Not 15 years ago.

/C

[krixa]

I can't even post my troubles on the NI Forums as they need to verify my account. No Maschine 2.0 this weekend then...

[bunnywrench]

I haven't got the update and saw no improvements to the sequencing in the release notes.

I do. Sounds like you have a different particular way of defining what "sequencing" means to you.

Does it now have groove templates?
Can you batch import midi grooves ?

Maschine is not really about things like "groove templates". It's more of an instrument than a DAW, where you make your own grooves by doing things with a hands-on approach.

Can you apply swing or grooves to note repeat ?

Swing does get applied to note repeat:

[topaz]

I fully agree, NI have %100 marketed the beat making market, not drum sequencing.

Right now my maschine is a midi controller in my studio. It's next to useless for drum sequencing.

I hoped they would improve things in 2.0 but from what I can see nothing has been improved other than fx/routing/drum synth modules.

Maybe 3.0 will get a full featured sequencer, slicer, randomizer with round robin and easy layering and real time stretch.

I think it's clear that NI has a different market group in mind than you and me.

I am right now working on a quite spectacular drum library based on the 909 that will be totally impossible to port to the Maschine. No effing round robin. How stupid is that? We talk about the simplest of all functions to implement. When I first bought Maschine (v1.0) I was baffled on how incredibly limited it was - from a sound designing point of view, Maschine is not a step forward but a few step backwards. I'm not saying that the features of v2.0 is bad - far from it. But when users have repeatedly requested features for years - it's quite obvious they don't listen. No real time time stretch (that already exists in their other products) - but we get a free copy of Massive! And a few compressors and drum synths! Massive? I already own two licenses of Massive - I don't need a third one. I am very curious on the drum synths - but I want more meat on the friggin bones. A design engine - and quite possibly a sequencer engine - that would be in time with the year we are living in. Not 15 years ago.

/C

[topaz]

I would highly recommend anyone thinking of upgrading read this thread.

http://www.native-instruments.com/forum ... Contribute

Seems NI have removed some features from 2.0 that would certainly mess me up, especially not exporting a single midi file ?

[bunnywrench]

Layering has been improved:

"Layering has been improved. They opted to improve what was there already so it's not totally new. The pad link is now a true sound link so it no longer records a separate sequence for the linked pads. You can now link another sound on top after you have already sequenced the sound. Basically it now works as it should have and with unlimited groups you don't have to stress about using up precious pads.

They also made the mapping layering more intuitive. It still shares the same filter and effects for all samples in the map but is easy to add samples to a specific layer from the browser and keep the layers separated with a new vertical layer view. From mapping there is a way to add a layer and it drops you into the browser to select a sample. It also supports drag and drop directly to a layer."

Right now my maschine is a midi controller in my studio. It's next to useless for drum sequencing.

I disagree. But I understand that you have your own particular way to differentiate between "beat making" with "drum sequencing".

I roped they would improve things in 2.0 but from what I can see nothing has been improved other than fx/routing/drum synth modules.

That's just not true at all.

[topaz]

Note to self, appreciate BFD groove editor more.

[bunnywrench]

Seems NI have removed some features from 2.0 that would certainly mess me up, especially not exporting a single midi file ?

The new way of having separate files for each sound on different MIDI channels makes more sense. It makes it easier to edit and add midi effects on a sound by sound basis.

[topaz]

We are obviously coming from a totally different place. Having a midi groove (for a sliced loop) is a complete no go, how the hell I would edit slices grooves on 16 different tracks is beyond me.

Seems NI have removed some features from 2.0 that would certainly mess me up, especially not exporting a single midi file ?

The new way of having separate files for each sound on different MIDI channels makes more sense. It makes it easier to edit and add midi effects on a sound by sound basis.

[bunnywrench]

We are obviously coming from a totally different place. Having a midi groove (for a sliced loop) is a complete no go, how the hell I would edit slices grooves on 16 different tracks is beyond me.

Seems NI have removed some features from 2.0 that would certainly mess me up, especially not exporting a single midi file ?

The new way of having separate files for each sound on different MIDI channels makes more sense. It makes it easier to edit and add midi effects on a sound by sound basis.

Yeah, I don't export MIDI of a sliced loop to a DAW. I do all the slicing and sequencing of slices within Maschine.

[musikmachine]

Well y'all could get involved on the forums, at lot of this stuff is by feature request and they had OTR threads where you could ask about things you wanted. Some of Nis design decisions leave me scratching my head but they've implemented a ton of stuff that users have been asking for.

I haven't seen much around things like groove templates but round robin seems like a pretty standard thing and i wish they'd allow pad layering like Geist but i guess i'll have to use groups!

But i think most of maschine's updates have been user driven from about 1.5, the most requested stuff has been slowly added but things have been left out or changed in 2.0. I think it's a good upgrade if it's got what you want but yeah the forums are worth checking for stuff they changed in 2.0.

[ericj23]

So did anyone catch whether it does PDC?

I will probably update anyway, but PDC would make it possible to consider using it for far more than just drums.