Cakewalk Sonar X3

[vintagevibe]

I make my living from music. I have 15 years of files for teaching and live performance. I use them all the time. If I could afford to take off work the 3-4 weeks it would take to port them over I'd surely rather take a vacation with that time.

Fair enough. If the transition is too much trouble and/or can't be done incrementally, that's a good reason. I guess with that being the case you'll be tied at the hip to Sonar for the duration, no matter what else happens.

Thanks for clearing that up. I wasn't being a jerk, I honestly just wanted to know why. Thanks.

No problem Lawrence. I appreciate your friendly and respectful tone.

[planetearth]

FWIW, I'm a longtime Cakewalk user (since before Windows), and I've always been loyal to it. I even helped out in the Cakewalk forums for a few years. But after the X2 debacle (which I bought and can't use reliably), I've considered--but not bought--Cubase.

I'm not a Cubase or Sonar "fanboy", and I think what vintagevibe has said is reasonable and fair. He's concerned about the future of a product he uses based upon its less-than-stellar history. No doubt if anyone else would offer to buy the DAW, vintagevibe would use whatever you're willing to buy him. I know I would.

And he's never said Cubase is perfect, either.

I'd like the Sonar users (myself included) to take a logical, practical look at the DAW, and ask themselves why should you wait for a fourth round of updates before there's even a demo version available. This product hasn't even been out that long, but they've had to fix a slew of problems. Yes, I'm sure Cubase had similar issues--please save your cards and letters! But it seems like Cakewalk is trying to make sure the demo doesn't crash too often when they're trying to entice new users.

I'll stay with Sonar as long as I can. I'm not thrilled about the Gibson purchase or the time Roland spent/wasted with Cakewalk. I do appreciate all the innovations Cakewalk's dedicated team has put into the software over the years. But the developers have no control over Gibson/"Tascam Professional" (Really? Tascam "Professional"? Since when?) or what those two will decide is in Cakewalk's "best interest".

Steve

[vintagevibe]

FWIW, I'm a longtime Cakewalk user (since before Windows), and I've always been loyal to it. I even helped out in the Cakewalk forums for a few years. But after the X2 debacle (which I bought and can't use reliably), I've considered--but not bought--Cubase.

I'm not a Cubase or Sonar "fanboy", and I think what vintagevibe has said is reasonable and fair. He's concerned about the future of a product he uses based upon its less-than-stellar history. No doubt if anyone else would offer to buy the DAW, vintagevibe would use whatever you're willing to buy him. I know I would.

And he's never said Cubase is perfect, either.

I'd like the Sonar users (myself included) to take a logical, practical look at the DAW, and ask themselves why should you wait for a fourth round of updates before there's even a demo version available. This product hasn't even been out that long, but they've had to fix a slew of problems. Yes, I'm sure Cubase had similar issues--please save your cards and letters! But it seems like Cakewalk is trying to make sure the demo doesn't crash too often when they're trying to entice new users.

I'll stay with Sonar as long as I can. I'm not thrilled about the Gibson purchase or the time Roland spent/wasted with Cakewalk. I do appreciate all the innovations Cakewalk's dedicated team has put into the software over the years. But the developers have no control over Gibson/"Tascam Professional" (Really? Tascam "Professional"? Since when?) or what those two will decide is in Cakewalk's "best interest".

Steve

Thank you Steve. Very well said.

[SuperG]

FWIW, I'm a longtime Cakewalk user (since before Windows), and I've always been loyal to it. I even helped out in the Cakewalk forums for a few years. But after the X2 debacle (which I bought and can't use reliably), I've considered--but not bought--Cubase.

I'm not a Cubase or Sonar "fanboy", and I think what vintagevibe has said is reasonable and fair. He's concerned about the future of a product he uses based upon its less-than-stellar history. No doubt if anyone else would offer to buy the DAW, vintagevibe would use whatever you're willing to buy him. I know I would.

And he's never said Cubase is perfect, either.

I'd like the Sonar users (myself included) to take a logical, practical look at the DAW, and ask themselves why should you wait for a fourth round of updates before there's even a demo version available. This product hasn't even been out that long, but they've had to fix a slew of problems. Yes, I'm sure Cubase had similar issues--please save your cards and letters! But it seems like Cakewalk is trying to make sure the demo doesn't crash too often when they're trying to entice new users.

I'll stay with Sonar as long as I can. I'm not thrilled about the Gibson purchase or the time Roland spent/wasted with Cakewalk. I do appreciate all the innovations Cakewalk's dedicated team has put into the software over the years. But the developers have no control over Gibson/"Tascam Professional" (Really? Tascam "Professional"? Since when?) or what those two will decide is in Cakewalk's "best interest".

Steve

Thank you Steve. Very well said.

I for one, don't think what was said was particularly reasonable.

When you get into generalities like 'less than stellar history', you find that that is easily applied to just about any DAW.  Pick your context and point of view.... It's so obvious that it was felt it was needed to point out that Cubase has its bugs, too. You end up with an argument that is moot, so pushing your point beyond that just exposes itself as a bias.


As for Gibson, Tascam, etc... it's all speculation, and none of it good. The product is doing well - who cares who owns it.



 

[clintmartin]

Sonar X3c here and loving it! Find something you love to work with and make some music.

[hansba]

Sonar X3c here and loving it! Find something you love to work with and make some music.

They said there is something video improvents in this version. Is there?

[ULAS]

Sonar X3c here and loving it! Find something you love to work with and make some music.

They said there is something video improvents in this version. Is there?

No, video improvements will be in X3d patch.



from cakewalk forum:

It's been reported on this forum that any video improvements have been moved to X3d. I sincerely hope Cakewalk is consulting with users who create/edit audio for film.

That is indeed true and we are in contact with a few big film/video game composers.

so I think X3d patch will be huge for film composers

[chk071]

Find something you love to work with and make some music.

This should be stickied.

[SJ_Digriz]

Find something you love to work with and make some music.

This should be stickied.

Then wait for them to f**k up the part you like best in the next release.

[SuperG]

Find something you love to work with and make some music.

This should be stickied.

Then wait for them to f**k up the part you like best in the next release.

Sez the 'monkey blows' Fruitybase user..

[SJ_Digriz]

Find something you love to work with and make some music.

This should be stickied.

Then wait for them to f**k up the part you like best in the next release.

Sez the 'monkey blows' Fruitybase user..

lol, I don't know about the Fruity part, but the C7 mixer does indeed blow monkey nuts and it is excellent in C6.

Every product goes through bad major release cycles. What, were you guys asleep for Cubase SX, or C4? PT has had some rough patches. You kind of just have to hang on until they accidently release something solid. But, that usually means something bad is on the drawing board

[yevster]

I tried to resist writing this post here, but it's 4 A.M., and Sonar X3C has decimated my project. Pro-Channel EQ parameters have randomly switched around with no involvement on my part, at random times pro-channel modules mute their entire track - and that's just the intermittent glitches. Add on top the ridiculous automation writing, unpredictable clips selection in the track view, and a blame-the-user development culture, and you get one putrid piece of garbage.

Don't get me wrong, Sonar looks great on paper! It's richly featured, the multi-out synth support is very nicely designed, and the Pro-Channel strip promises a world of top-grade sound and convenience. It's only when you do a hardcore project that exercises all these and other features, that the demons emerge by the hundred.

The press will get around to Sonar soon enough, and I have no doubt that the reviewers, who will at best spend ten minutes glancing through all the billboard features, will give high marks. It's the users who'll be up at 4 am wondering why Sonar mangled their projects (not to mention parting with $150+) who'll get the real story.

[ULAS]

reset and rescan your plug-in directory. your problem will be fixed.

If you are upgrading from an older version of SONAR, however, to take advantage of some of these new enhancements you should perform a full re-scan of your VST plug-ins. This is recommended since upgrading from an older version of SONAR to a newer version does not forcefully reset all of your VST plug-in settings.

[auron]

Hi there is it possible to edit polyphonic audio material in the melodyne integration, similar to cubase 7, or is it restricted ?

[sonicpowa]

Hi there is it possible to edit polyphonic audio material in the melodyne integration, similar to cubase 7, or is it restricted ?

if you have upgraded to/purchased Editor version then yes.