The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[pc999]

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IMO Every living low income guy is quite good at managing its money, or he would not be a low income guy, he would be a dead by starvation guy .

If you are good at managing your life, you will control your own destiny,
and move out of countries/states/cities who impose crippling taxes
and regulations on the business and citizens they are supposed to represent.
You owe it to your children and their children, to establish them
in geo-political areas that can offer them freedom and prosperity,
in return for hard work, and the willingness to defend
their property and nation.
Cheers

What do you think it would happen to the north Europe (or USA for that matter or whatever place) if everybody in the south europe did that?

What if you have old and/or sick familiars?

What if your 8-14 years old kids need to spend 1-2 years learning a new language before go to school?

What if your income is so low that taking a plane and paying the first month rent and food in country that is richer than yours is a impossibility? (meaning that only those with more money can go out of the country)

What if you dont want to leave your beautiful country?

What if you just dont want to run from the problems and fight against it? And we start to see the north Europe (and USA, and everywhere else in the planet) starting to have the same problems (google for: debt as money, what killed economic growth and such).

What if you want to teach your kids what is being a good person and teach them what is right?

Things are easy to say, but hard to do in many cases (although I guess it should be easier in the USA at least in some cases(?)).

Further stuff on this topic please leave it to pm or a new thread elsewhere.
I know I started it but I am trying to close it

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[ThomasHelzle]

I'm pretty sure they will price it competitively.

But I'm also sure that pricing it too low wouldn't do them much good, since that often diminishes the perceived value.

If you think about how much money people are willing to spend on some plugins, a DAW that includes both a complete set of good effects and a set of good instruments shouldn't be priced at something like $99. That would really be diminishing it's value a lot IMO.
AFAIK you get the OSX, Windows and Linux versions in one go, you get a really good plugin system that can handle 32 and 64 Bit VST, and you get to work early with a DAW that sure has some potential for getting even better when nodes and the other announced features get available. If you are not the early adopter type (I am) just wait how it goes and develops over time.

If you don't have the money, I don't think it makes sense to get all worked up about it. BWS doesn't have the magic: "Make a Hit" button. Yes it's fun, but so is flying a jet plane. I don't have one. So what


BTW. I think the plan is, to distinguish the software from the company by calling the product Bitwig Studio.

Cheers,

Tom

[firepile]

Is it dongled?

[ThomasHelzle]

Is it dongled?

I don't know the final plans but the Beta is not.

On first startup a dialogue pops up and you log into your account with your PW and Username and the license is then activated.

Be aware that that may change for the release, but I don't think they have plans to go dongle.

Cheers,

Tom

[trusampler]

Is it dongled?

. No bitwig doesn't believe in dongles. Thanks

[pc999]

Just one more thing on price.

Arent they planing to do "internal" plug ins in v2 and a plugin store (like Reason's store) for it? I think I remeber hearing something like that.


That would mean a good more deal of profit/return in the future, using a lower price as a trojan.


Plus reaper value is very well perceived although one of the cheaper DAWs, and many use free/internal/cracked VSTs only because the good, paid and know-enough ones are too expensive, so a lower price may mean that market too.

Anyway, hoping for it.

[ThomasHelzle]

Just one more thing on price.

Arent they planing to do "internal" plug ins in v2 and a plugin store (like Reason's store) for it? I think I remeber hearing something like that.

That would mean a good more deal of profit/return in the future, using a lower price as a trojan.

Plus reaper value is very well perceived although one of the cheaper DAWs, and many use free/internal/cracked VSTs only because the good, paid and know-enough ones are too expensive, so a lower price may mean that market too.

Anyway, hoping for it.

I never heard of that plugin store idea but seeing what the internal devices can do, it would be interesting.
Usine has a good SDK and an addon-download area included in the application, but all of them are free, mostly built by the community but many created by Sensomusic themselves.

"Using this as a trojan" is the wrong state of mind for a company. There are too many companies already that use such psychological means/traps to separate people from their money. If you base your company on such an idea, you treat your customers as idiots from the start. As lambs that are just there to be slaughtered and exploited. That does something to your customers and it sure does something to you.
I wouldn't want to live/work like that.


And I don't believe in appealing to crack users by lowering the price either.
Nobody in this day and age can tell me that it is necessary to spend a single dime on software to make music.
Everything else is either habit or self delusion.

If you got yourself convinced that the commercial world of vendors is a greedy bunch of suckers and feel entitled to steal their work, your mindset will not change because of the price asked.

Constraints are actually good for the human brain, it has evolved in a complicated surrounding where problems were challenges to be tackled. The brain is getting creative if it is presented with a challenge. That's what triggers it.

But our society feeds on unhappy people trying to become happy by buying stuff.
Doesn't work, but is habit-forming.

Sorry if this is too philosophical for KVR, but the older I get, the more I become interested in what makes people (including me) tick and what is actually healthy and sustainable. And it is not wealth or possessions.

As always: YMMV

Cheers,

Tom

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[ThomasHelzle]

If it wasn't crossfades it would be something else, not with you Theo, but always something with somebody. It's a 1.0 and something is always missing in a 1.0 and no matter what that thing is somebody will say it should be there already, say the devs are stupid for not putting it there already, and angrily rant about it not being there.

It gets even more puzzling - and again, not you Theo, it just always happens - when the anger is coming from people who swear the thing they already use and love is the best thing ever.

I can fully understand people being somewhat puzzled about some development choices, some of the choices in PT 11 puzzled the heck out of me. What i never really understand is the angry ranting about it, why it matters so much... especially if you already have something that works well for you.

Well actually I can't really pick on it besides lack of video, lanes and crossfades. Maybe they were left out intentionally I don't know, to have buyers for version 2

Yeah, I'm sure that is the plan.
They also left our automatic dishwasher control which will only be integrated in version 3 to make that a sure sale.

Get real guys.
Coding is hard work.
If not, any audio app would be released with version 10 already and include any feature possible

Cheers,

Tom

[LawrenceF]

Well actually I can't really pick on it besides lack of video, lanes and crossfades. Maybe they were left out intentionally I don't know, to have buyers for version 2

Trust me when i say that any 1.0 will expose lots of potential avenues for those who do want to pick on it to pick on it, Not saying - you - do, don't misunderstand me, only saying it's a 1.0 and for some unknown reason lots of people think a 1.0 should already be generally feature equivalent to a 20 year old version 15 of something else. No clue how that personal logic process works.

They think coding is just tossing around pixie dust, just wave your magic wand and you have all the cool features of every 20 year old daw in a couple of years. If not, fail.

Anyway, as to crossfades I agree with your basic point. All of the vocal editing and similar I do needs crossfades so yeah, for me that would require a change in how i work. To many others it's very likely irrelevant.

Actually, I haven't yet heard any Bitwig song with anything but software instruments on it, nothing with stacks of backing vox or anything like that. Not yet anyway.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[pdxindy]

Sorry but I think a one point o int TODAYS world needs to be competitive with what's already out there feature wise. In fact, maybe that's just me, but if I was releasing a daw, I'd not only make sure it matched the current others in terms of every feature, I would add something that made it even better on top, to steal business.

Of course you would... in theory... then reality would bite you in the ass and your product would never ship.

[LawrenceF]

Sorry but I think a one point o int TODAYS world needs to be competitive with what's already out there feature wise. In fact, maybe that's just me, but if I was releasing a daw, I'd not only make sure it matched the current others in terms of every feature, I would add something that made it even better on top, to steal business.

Like he said above, impossible, Unless you plan to spend 12 years in the 1.0 development phase or you hire a team of 300 developers. And even then you can't copy features you haven't actually seen yet.

All of these companies are always still working on their products... while you're playing catchup. Aside from something that has a really limited feature set or a really narrow focus, it takes years to fully catch up.

The real trick is to play to your early strengths, so people will buy it and wait for the rest of the goodies.

P.S. It's also probably no coincidence that the "early strengths" are most often clearly targeted towards obvious weaknesses in existing apps.

[jeffh]

Sorry but I think a one point o int TODAYS world needs to be competitive with what's already out there feature wise. In fact, maybe that's just me, but if I was releasing a daw, I'd not only make sure it matched the current others in terms of every feature, I would add something that made it even better on top, to steal business.

Like he said above, impossible, Unless you plan to spend 12 years in the 1.0 development phase or you hire a team of 300 developers. And even then you can't copy features you haven't actually seen yet.

All of these companies are always still working on their products... while you're playing catchup. Aside from something that has a really limited feature set or a really narrow focus, it takes years to fully catch up.

The real trick is to play to your early strengths, so people will buy it and wait for the rest of the goodies.

P.S. It's also probably no coincidence that the "early strengths" are most often clearly targeted towards obvious weaknesses in existing apps.

Conversely, I would like to go on record as saying that Protools sucks, and I am angry at them because of it. After like 20 years of development and 10 versions, they still fail to get basic MIDI+plugin workflows right, and instead offer all of these useless audio recording features and bundle hardware with a gazillion ins/outs when I only need 2 outs and no ins, then they charge $20,000USD for it when Ableton is better and only costs $500. I use those features, and therefore so should literally everybody else, and anybody aspiring to develop a DAW should know that the specific features I use are essential, and not bother releasing anything until they can meet these oh-so-reasonable expectations.

/sarcasm

[Muziksculp]

Are we looking at a New Year's Eve Bitwig Studio Release date ?

That will still keep them within the 2013 release date promise/announcement.