Waldorf Pulse 2: officially released (OS updated to v1.18)

[Goldenage2012]

Have been watching this thread since start and currently own the Classic Pulse+ and am one to watch an O.S. get all kinks out before finally purchasing.

Firstly, is there *any validity* to what member Goldenage2012 reported, ["However..LOL. Well, I am very surprised not to see 14 bit midi messages, at least for the cut off and resonance,
I've been following this post and have not seen now one mention about the filter stepping. I really hope this can be fixed, at least for the filter cut off and resonance, please hi resolution midi, possible?"], because of all the reading and Sound Cloud or otherwise demos, I have YET to hear ANY stepping with the Filter Frequency/Resonance, nor have I read ANYWHERE BUT aforementioned post, that there's possibly this issue. Is this confirmed and reproducible by others on all O.S. or something introduced into 1.13? With endless encoders, would find this pretty odd if true, having higher resolution with better encoders and reason I love endless encoders.
I tend to not believe a solitary report of something that serious, especially since nobody has commented further on this.

Also, my original Pulse+ has O.S. 2.01, which recall is required if one wanted to stack up to 8 Pulses for "Poly Pulse".
With that said, does anyone know in respecting the obvious differences between the Pulse 2 and Pulse+, can one make a millage of mixed older/new Pulse to achieve Poly Pulse Stack?

Almost lastly; A German interview I viewed not long ago mentioned a Pulse 2 Keyboard is forthcoming. If that is so, any news if it would have BOTH CV/GATE IN and OUTs, as opposed the Pulse 2's just cv/gate out?

Lastly, any idea when final O.S. or when official stable O.S. will be realized? Just have a lot on my To Do and Learn List and like anyone, just want it to work and integrate into my set-up without a lot of speed bumps.

Well i will post a demo reproducing the stepping, their using cc's, so there only 128 possible steps, with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

Yes, for such good sound instrument really seems a waiste to give its midi control low resolution midi cc's.

Also, filter tracking goes to +and-63 , why not 100 at least? That means you cant play the filter other then in micro tones..

There seems like theres a few things to improve but all software related seems to me.


I also dont understand why noone has mention this, iam pretty sure my unit is not faulty.

[Tupapupa]

maybe with using the right speed turning the knob it could be possible to hear the steps

but i spent no special attention to that until now
i will try out tomorow

[EvilDragon]

with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

It's possible not to hear it if knob smoothing is used. For example, Korg KingKorg has this kind of smoothing on cutoff knob.

[kmonkey]

Well i will post a demo reproducing the stepping, their using cc's, so there only 128 possible steps, with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

Yes, for such good sound instrument really seems a waiste to give its midi control low resolution midi cc's.

Yeah. Like it was a waste on all these older instruments in music history - the same ones which helped to shape most if not all music genres... I see a lot of people complained when they ordered music vinyls and CD.

"Hey i want my money back...i hear stepping tones..."--

[Shy]

He has a perfectly valid point. It's too bad that they only implemented 7-bit MIDI CC messages for filter cutoff. Even if the stepping is not "clicky", it's impossible to make fine adjustments manually as you could do with synths that have high resolution for filter cutoff like 12-bit (4096 steps) or higher, or analog synths without digital control.

[Kriminal]

Well i will post a demo reproducing the stepping, their using cc's, so there only 128 possible steps, with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

Yes, for such good sound instrument really seems a waiste to give its midi control low resolution midi cc's.

Yeah. Like it was a waste on all these older instruments in music history - the same ones which helped to shape most if not all music genres... I see a lot of people complained when they ordered music vinyls and CD.

"Hey i want my money back...i hear stepping tones..."--

They didnt frequently use midi automation so prob didnt notice.

[Goldenage2012]

Well i will post a demo reproducing the stepping, their using cc's, so there only 128 possible steps, with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

Yes, for such good sound instrument really seems a waiste to give its midi control low resolution midi cc's.

Yeah. Like it was a waste on all these older instruments in music history - the same ones which helped to shape most if not all music genres... I see a lot of people complained when they ordered music vinyls and CD.

"Hey i want my money back...i hear stepping tones..."

Haa my friend please, if you do not understand what iam asking please don't make non sense comments.

I do love this synth, but its not my first synth.
I ve seem so much discussion about dco vs vco on pulse 2, i couldn't care less but did not expect that Waldorf software guru wizards would not implement hight resolution midi.

To have 127 possible midi value of possible position is better then 14 bit resolution 16,384 values? I thought that was the whole point of being analog..the liquid sound, not the sound being force to quantize to 1 of the 127 choices..

Also filter tracking and other controllers have only +or- 63. Because its ccs they have to divide a 127 value for the positive and negative values.

Yes, its a big deal for me , sorry if that bothered other people but i really just wanted to get the take of people who care about it and hopefully see what is the take of Waldorf and its associates.[/quote]

[Goldenage2012]

with that resolution i dont know if its possible not to hear stepping on any analog instrument with a resonance oscillation up..

It's possible not to hear it if knob smoothing is used. For example, Korg KingKorg has this kind of smoothing on cutoff knob.

That would be better yes but 14 bit midi would be perfect with those endless encoders..

You always have positive solutions my friend, i like reading your takes.


They need a guy like u at waldorf's

[lalo]

so i guessed well
there are stepping problems on critical parameters.
the 14 bits midi would help.
even better the 32 bits OSC protocol

[faun2500]

Of course 14bit would be better. Gets my vote!

[lalo]

Of course 14bit would be better. Gets my vote!

would be enough to sweep a very big part of the audio range ( 20 hz - 22.000 but more realistic 20 hz - 16.000 ) hz by hz.
This would be very useful for oscillators' pitch and filters' cutoff.
But even for precise time editing of env segments.
A very precise DCO ( with 2^14 values ) is way better than a low res 7-bit controlled one. And the same goes for filters control.
Do you think that Waldorf can do this via a firmware update? or must they upgrade the hardware?

[EvilDragon]

That's all purely software, but I don't think they are willing to change the CC implementation because it's a can of worms really.

[lalo]

That's all purely software, but I don't think they are willing to change the CC implementation because it's a can of worms really.

So it's a no no for me. Sadness.
I'll go for this
http://www.anyware-instruments.de/analo ... sizer.html
and this
http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/silentway.html
or this
http://www.korg.com/ms20mini

[Goldenage2012]

Of course 14bit would be better. Gets my vote!

would be enough to sweep a very big part of the audio range ( 20 hz - 22.000 but more realistic 20 hz - 16.000 ) hz by hz.
This would be very useful for oscillators' pitch and filters' cutoff.
But even for precise time editing of env segments.
A very precise DCO ( with 2^14 values ) is way better than a low res 7-bit controlled one. And the same goes for filters control.
Do you think that Waldorf can do this via a firmware update? or must they upgrade the hardware?

Yes, i agree.

Not everything but things like, lfo rate, filter env, vca env, vco vcf lfo amounts, EG amount, filter kb track, vcos frequency, cut off, resonance, mod wheel?
I think i ve listed the most important for most people i would think.

I really like the sound of this synth but its the 21 century..the analog is back right? So why not use the best digital midi control available to take the most advantage?
Why not marry this two (analog with digital controls) in the most harmonious way?

[Shy]

So why not use the best digital midi control available to take the most advantage?
Why not marry this two (analog with digital controls) in the most harmonious way?

Cost, of course (it's not negligible), and I believe they just want to stick with what they know and don't care as much about the benefit of it compared to the relatively hassle-free backwards-compatibility they currently have. Along with the potentiometer scan-rate and the converter (for MIDI control, not audio) bit-rate, the mechanical part is a major one. I don't suppose the hardware itself is capable of much accuracy and unless it was designed for it, you'd have jumps back and forth of the value that's being tweaked with the knob.

Moog is a synth company that makes high quality MIDI-controllable analog/digital hardware. Other companies don't care about it. Bad priorities, and it's especially annoying when a good sounding synth can't be used to its full potential because of limited mechanical and digital control.