Satin OMG

[Tp3]

The guy that now owns the Sound City studio was singing the praises of using just two mics on a drum kit and going straight to tape with little or no processing.

I am seeking for an answer if the same could be said of "using just two mics on a drum kit and going straight to a laptop with SATIN, with little or no processing"

I hope I'll have one at some point in the near future.

[hibidy]

to the thread, I don't get it.

I don't have a 75,000 neve console That's why I have plugins like satin. Not that satin makes it instant neve, but it's better than w/o. Plus it has a groovy delay

[djscorb]

Very few people have a neve console, yet alone THAT Neve console. Well, Dave Grohl has it now so it's in good hands.

What is so cool about the SOund City doc is that the place was more than the sum of it's parts. Great sounding room and nobody really knows why. Great results without excessive overdubs, processing, booths, etc etc

Quite inspiring for those of us without access to big studios. It is more than possible to create fantastic recordings if you can capture a great performance in one take with a minimal setup.

It's just that Sound City was kind of high end minimal with it's mics, console and tape machines. The place did look like a dump though

Cheers

Scorb

[Agility]

Not that I don't think Satin is great, I do and bought it on release, but a 10/10 in computer music is pretty meaningless.

I would trust the opinions in a public forum such as KVR or GS way before I took any notice of a review in a magazine. It's not just that they are biased and pander to advertisers, they really aren't very knowledgable about audio. If they were, they would be in the industry making music and money not waxing lyrical about plugins.

I buy the mag occasionally to get some of the freebies but the content is a joke. The letters page is full of pats on the back and the articles / reviews are shallow and barely skim the surface.

Fine for beginners but hardly worth basing purchases on.

Cheers

Scorb

LOL, Talk not of what you don't know.

The guy who reviewed it(a friend of mine)is very knowledgable on audio and works in the industry full time so stop talking crap. I'd take his opinion over 90% of the forum users on the net. Don't know if all the CM reviewers are as knowledgable as him though. But ofcourse that is only 1 opinion and a collective opinion can sometimes be more valuable.

I'm surprised about the 10/10(It does have bugs) though when asking him he says it does not mean it's perfect and they have a rating guide? I don't know I don't read it.

But yes Satin is amazing! Though I'm sure it will be improved and even better plugins will come out in the years to come, best so far though!

[djscorb]

I've not read the review obviously and was making a sweeping generalisation based on buying dozens of copies of the magazine over the years. I wasn't far off a beginner when it first came out so found it useful once upon a time.

As you admit, 10/10 implies something can't be improved on and as great as Satin is that's clearly not the case as it has been improved considerably already. Perhaps CM should adopt a percentage rating, as it might be slightly more realistic.

I'm sure your friend is very knowledgeable, but once again you reporting that on this forum helps illustrate that this is a far more useful resource than a magazine as you have added a little bit of validation to the review which, for me at least, wouldn't have existed had you not posted here.

Cheers

Scorb

[Gonga]

As you admit, 10/10 implies something can't be improved on

I understand your point, but I would say that 10/10 does not mean a product is perfect and that it is naive to expect this. Rather, 10/10 means the product is at the top of its class and is simply better than the rest (except other 10/10 products). The fact that software is buggy when first released is an unpleasant reality of computing, but a reality nonetheless, and not unique to U-He. At least 99% of software has bugs when released, and even if not will require updates to maintain compatibility with other software, etc.

I can tell you that great hypothetical future releases such as Zebra 3, Omnisphere 2 or Massive 2 will likely receive 10/10 too, even before possible bugs are discovered, and I have no problem with it, because the software will likely lead the industry, and because the companies stand beind their products with quality updates.

[sascha]

At least 99% of software has bugs when released, and even if not will require updates to maintain compatibility with other software, etc.

We had a lecturer in our software-engineering classes (back in '98 ) who was formerly a project leader of a division at the German federal air-traffic control. Our very first day started out with 'Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to keep that in the back of your minds for all times: there is never ever any bug-free software. Never.'

[kmonkey]

At least 99% of software has bugs when released, and even if not will require updates to maintain compatibility with other software, etc.

We had a lecturer in our software-engineering classes (back in '98 ) who was formerly a project leader of a division at the German federal air-traffic control. Our very first day started out with 'Ladies and gentlemen, I want you to keep that in the back of your minds for all times: there is never ever any bug-free software. Never.'

So? He was obviously wrong. I can create calculator, to process number to 10 (haha) and it will do that - bugfree

just kidding

[hibidy]

Very few people have a neve console, yet alone THAT Neve console. Well, Dave Grohl has it now so it's in good hands.

What is so cool about the SOund City doc is that the place was more than the sum of it's parts. Great sounding room and nobody really knows why. Great results without excessive overdubs, processing, booths, etc etc

Quite inspiring for those of us without access to big studios. It is more than possible to create fantastic recordings if you can capture a great performance in one take with a minimal setup.

It's just that Sound City was kind of high end minimal with it's mics, console and tape machines. The place did look like a dump though

Cheers

Scorb

I get what you are saying, and I really enjoyed that doc. I'm not really sure I follow in the context of this thread.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[djscorb]

When I was a young 'un I used to read C&VG Mag (Computer & Video Games Magazine) and they had really in depth reviews with a summary and overall score in percent.
It would also have scores for graphics, playability, how long it would last you and other useful categories.

Nothing ever got 100% and if something very rarely achieved over 95% you knew it was pure gold. Even the very best games rarely got more than 90% or so.

A star rating or mark out of 10 is just so pointless imo.

Cheers

Scorb

[megapiano]

Interesting - I own both and think the exact opposite. For VTM to work, I need a very specific sound as the source material or it doesn't quite work. With Satin's level of tweakability, I can get what I want - plus there are a few presets where you just slap them on anything and they bring a smile to your face

Hi...I am curious...can you give some examples of those presets "where you just slap them on anything and they bring a smile to your face?" Thanks.

I'm not at the studio at the moment so can't bring it up, but from memory, in the 'studio' section, third preset from the top was a doozy from memory. Will confirm once I am back in the studio...cheers

Hi...third one from the top...you mean like the "BH MasterBuss Thick & Warm For -15dB RMS"? It's nice to put a smile on someone's face

[megapiano]

Hi...I am curious...is the noise from the Hiss and Asperity knob settings just there for vintage simulation purposes or does it really color the actual music itself more than just something in the background? I can see how things like the Tape Bias knob and Head Gap Width and Bump knob settings color the sound in various often pleasing ways, but is there any trade off in lowering the noise settings ie. you can get less noise but also somehow less benefits in other sonic areas? Of course, the final say goes to one's ears, but just wondering scientifically if these settings in Satin do more than just affect noise in the background. Thanks for your help.

[AC222]

True Dat

Satin is a great toolbox for colour. I can't wait for the dust to settle and to hear various tips and tricks people have found after we've all become more experienced and familiar with it

I've been enjoying using the Dolby trick for adding some sizzle to ride cymbals recently, magic!

The manual flange sweeping across resampled parts of the track can be a lot of fun too.

Cheers

Scorb

Hey Mate,

I like your posts. I don't know what your background is, but you seem to really know your stuff. I'm really considering this because from all the clips I've heard it just seems to make everything sound more "3d", a bit more deep, more coloured, and plain old analog-sounding. In general, I am finding it difficult to find plugins that meet those criteria that don't obviously sound like plugins.

I don't fancy most of the other tape emulators because to me they don't do what they do without imparting artifacts that I don't like. For example roundtone is great but really "dulls the sound" instead of making more 3d, the Waves Kramer tape seems have some kind of plastic-sounding overdrive, I feel somewhat the same about Reelbus when pushed more to extremes, and well I much prefer Slate VTM to those but there's something about it that I'm not crazy about (from my experience it smears the stereo image too much or something and I feel like I can hear other plugin artifacts).

I haven't gotten around to demoing this in full like the others but how do you like this one versus others. Any perspective would be much appreciated.

Cheers,

AC

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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