The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[Cyoon]

i think they will announce this for sure, why should they hide this info.

I would like to know if they push it a little further into the cubase direction, with mono tracks and better panning options. Like a stereo dual pan for example.

I really do not like the way its done in live, with this utility plugin.


these are the cubase options:

[ThomasHelzle]

And if you're getting bored this week and think "what i'd i'd really love to do now is answering some random dude's questions about a software that will probably released within the next months and he could easily check out the demo then" i can help you out:

How does BW handle multiple out instruments/effects? Routing audio outs to separate tracks in Live is a bit inconvenient,that is something FL handled a lot easier...

One point for asking so smugly and not shouting

I think we were over it already but in short ATM it's like this:
- The Drum Machine instrument can be unfolded in the Mixer to show every pad as a separate mixer track.
- If you use Instrument Layers, those can be unfolded as well in the mixer.
- You can not ATM create such groups/busses yourself (But as I understand it, it's planned, may or may not be in 1.0).
- You can not ATM access multiple outs of VSTs, but it maybe could be handled like the Drum-Machine in the future. No idea when that may be though and if it will actually happen. Don't quote me on that one.



(Rightclick-> "View Image" to see it 1:1)

Two tracks in this one, one with an Instrument Layer with 4 instruments and one with the Drum Machine. The sub-tracks can't hold Clips but otherwise are fully featured. The sub tracks of the Drum Machine even have play buttons to preview the individual drums. Nice

This image also shows the big meters that can be enabled for the mixer view. Not really sure about the colours there. Everything else in BWS is rather warm, so these large greenish meters look a bit alien to me.

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

No, thank you for being so uncommonly patient during the onslaught of "You gotta tell me everything I need to know right now or the world as I know it will cease to exist!!!!!" questions.

You have the patience of a saint. You must be a Buddhist.

Pretty impressive actually.

[TheKid]

Is it just me or does the new Maschine software look more and more like Bitwig Studio (or vice versa)?

http://images-ec.native-instruments.com ... wser_L.jpg

I really hope for a tight symbiosis of Maschine and Bitwig. That would be so cool.

[ThomasHelzle]

Is it just me or does the new Maschine software look more and more like Bitwig Studio (or vice versa)?

http://images-ec.native-instruments.com ... wser_L.jpg

I really hope for a tight symbiosis of Maschine and Bitwig. That would be so cool.

Interesting.

I don't know Machine so I can't comment on that. Is the Machine Software a VST or standalone? How would such a "symbiosis" look like in your opinion?

Cheers,

Tom

[trusampler]

Both VST and Standalone.Personally cannot wait to get these together. I just bought the studio, and it's a fantastic piece of hardware and the Maschine 2.0 software is great.

Currently using Studio One, but I love working with scenes/clips, this is what Maschine does well, so Bitwig should be a natural fit.

[gamecat666]

127 pages....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE release an open beta!! every single day is me getting closer to buying Live 9..

[LawrenceF]

- You can not ATM access multiple outs of VSTs, but it maybe could be handled like the Drum-Machine in the future. No idea when that may be though and if it will actually happen. Don't quote me on that one.

Can you expand on that a little? Are you saying there are no multi-outs at all or are you saying something else? Not that it matters to me one way or another, I don't plan to buy it, just mostly curious about new daw tech in general.

Thanks.

[ThomasHelzle]

- You can not ATM access multiple outs of VSTs, but it maybe could be handled like the Drum-Machine in the future. No idea when that may be though and if it will actually happen. Don't quote me on that one.

Can you expand on that a little? Are you saying there are no multi-outs at all or are you saying something else? Not that it matters to me one way or another, I don't plan to buy it, just mostly curious about new daw tech in general.

Thanks.

Not much to "expand" on
Yeah, no multi-outs at all AFAIK for VSTs, just Stereo ATM.

Cheers,

Tom

[LawrenceF]

Not much to "expand" on
Yeah, no multi-outs at all AFAIK for VSTs, just Stereo ATM.

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks. I phrased that question rather poorly.

What I meant (and thanks for the answer) is I didn't know if by "VST's" you meant audio insert plugins (multi-channel audio plugins, surround, whatever) or virtual instrument muilti-outputs, or both. Like with my current daw which doesn't yet allow the former... with audio plugs... beyond stereo.

Thanks Thomas.

In hindsight it's more clear what you actually meant. I'll wear the dunce cap for this current round of questions.

[ThomasHelzle]

Not much to "expand" on
Yeah, no multi-outs at all AFAIK for VSTs, just Stereo ATM.

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks. I phrased that question rather poorly.

What I meant (and thanks for the answer) is I didn't know if by "VST's" you meant audio insert plugins (multi-channel audio plugins, surround, whatever) or virtual instrument muilti-outputs, or both. Like with my current daw which doesn't yet allow the former... with audio plugs... beyond stereo.

Thanks Thomas.

In hindsight it's more clear what you actually meant. I'll wear the dunce cap for this current round of questions.

In case there was something left unclear, I'll try again: Bitwig is only stereo - which is a bit sad since I still look for a good surround solution. I can fake it with sends similar to Live but there is no internal multichannel support at all.

Effects can only be stereo and only the stereo outs are used.
Same for VST(i).
So plugins like Jamstix or Kontakt can't be used with their multiouts, only the first two channels are accessible.
I think it's the same in Live.

Studio One (if that is what you refer to as your current DAW) can access multiple outs of VSTis but also has no surround or multichannel abilities other than faking it with sends. When you enable additional outputs this creates additional mixer tracks - which in a way is similar to how it works in BWS with Drum Machine and Instrument layers - and maybe in the future with VSTIs (at least I hope so.

This is why I was eyeing Podium, it has a nice multichannel implementation but somehow lacks in other regards.

Cheers,

Tom

[UncleAge]

I would imagine that this will be addressed before release or very soon thereafter. One of the most popular vsti's is Kontakt and only having stereo outs for Kontakt is very inefficient in a lot of cases.

OTOH, as one of those that may give it a try in its 1.0 debut, I am interested in extended routing of all midi & audio, but mostly midi. Out of all the hosts I have or have tried (FLS, Acid, energyXT, Podium, Sonar, Reaper, Studio One, Live & Tracktion) only Reaper allowed for the routing of everything anywhere and also maintaining the channel data to my satisfaction.

When I write most stuff I do so on my guitar, bass or keyboard first. However, when I work with generative stuff or post/prod I start out wiring stuff from this to that all over the place. I have tools to facilitate most of this regardless of host. However, what appeals to me most is that back-end that might open up in BWS come version 2. That could make life much easier for me.

[LawrenceF]

Tbh, I'm really not a big multi-output VSTi type guy. I only really do that with drum samplers. I run single stereo instances of things like Kontakt anyway... horses for courses and all that.

So except for with sampled drums, it wouldn't matter to me at all, on a desktop with some ram anyway... maybe more on a laptop with limited ram. MMV on that. In any case, as long as I could print / render the individual drum stems to split them up as audio tracks, it wouldn't be a show stopper (for me, mmv) by any stretch.

Thanks Thomas.

[ThomasHelzle]

I would imagine that this will be addressed before release or very soon thereafter. One of the most popular vsti's is Kontakt and only having stereo outs for Kontakt is very inefficient in a lot of cases.

OTOH, as one of those that may give it a try in its 1.0 debut, I am interested in extended routing of all midi & audio, but mostly midi. Out of all the hosts I have or have tried (FLS, Acid, energyXT, Podium, Sonar, Reaper, Studio One, Live & Tracktion) only Reaper allowed for the routing of everything anywhere and also maintaining the channel data to my satisfaction.

When I write most stuff I do so on my guitar, bass or keyboard first. However, when I work with generative stuff or post/prod I start out wiring stuff from this to that all over the place. I have tools to facilitate most of this regardless of host. However, what appeals to me most is that back-end that might open up in BWS come version 2. That could make life much easier for me.

Regarding Multi-Out-VSTIs: Well, I hope so. But even Live 8 doesn't have that - not sure about 9.

And as far as Midi Routing: Yeah, same here. ATM I can't really use Bitwig for my own work, since I rely so much on sequencers, midi-modifiers and generative tools.

The way Live does it (one midi-out-VSTI per track) isn't good either, but at least it works and with M4L and some of the built in Midi-Modifier Plugins I can get where I want to go, including (clumsy) surround sound.

I theory Usine Hollyhock would be ideal for me. Fully nodal modular, all Plugin Inputs available for modulation, great GUI and fully surround too with more channels than I'll have in the foreseeable future, as many VST(i) plugin outputs accessible as there are available...
But it has no timeline, so neither can you include more classical time based things efficiently, nor can you render out pieces that are too heavy for realtime, since the output is basically a recording of what is going on realtime, not a render. Performance is also not the best so far...
In the old Version 5.8 I sometimes used it inside a normal DAW as VSTi, which allowed me to render heavy workspaces in non-realtime, but that version is broken for me for a while and Hollyhock has no VSTi version...

So yeah, my hopes are up for improved midi routing for BWS 1.x and I really look forward to the node view.

Depending on how Loomer Non-Epoch shapes up, that may be another option. The not-so-many screenshots looked great.

Well, I guess my journey will continue for a while - at least it's fun

Cheers,

Tom

[Ogopogo]

Live does allow multiout: http://www.native-instruments.com/knowl ... leton+Live

I'm not big on multiout either though. It seems much simpler to stick each thing on it's own track and not worry about routing.