The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[Ogopogo]

Thomas, in your screenshot I see the "packages" under clips in the browser. I guess that lets you save a clip with the instrument preset so you can just drag it in with one action later instead of loading both? Cool beans. I don't believe Live has that. I was wondering about track templates and that sort of stuff.

[elxsound]

Live does allow multiout: http://www.native-instruments.com/knowl ... leton+Live

I'm not big on multiout either though. It seems much simpler to stick each thing on it's own track and not worry about routing.

Live definitely does have multiouts (L8 included).

It can be useful for when you're working with something like 50 different sampled instruments in kontakt and systems resources can become an issue. It's also useful for using plugins with multi-out for mixing/recording purposes. Soniccharge's microtonic and many other drums plugins (addictive drums, tremor, etc...) have multi-outs for mixing and creative effect purposes. Then there's plugins like Reaktor, where creations by Twisted Tools for example, such as S-Layer, allow for multiple outs of unique content (especially when manipulated by extrenal control such lemur, ipad lemur, midi or osc control.

[crashedthecar]

Hi Thomas. I asked a few pages back but my post got lost around yellow and orange writing.

How does bws do tempo mapping?

Pretty sure this hasn't been covered, if it has, my apologies

[Cyoon]

Do not confuse the multiout thing please, live supports it internally for vsti but there is no multi channel master out, so no true surround support in live.

Would be really nice to have for sure. Twisting stuff around with u-he uhbiks

So far one could rewire live into cubase and use that surround out if needed.

[Ogopogo]

It can be useful for when you're working with something like 50 different sampled instruments in kontakt and systems resources can become an issue. It's also useful for using plugins with multi-out for mixing/recording purposes. Soniccharge's microtonic and many other drums plugins (addictive drums, tremor, etc...) have multi-outs for mixing and creative effect purposes. Then there's plugins like Reaktor, where creations by Twisted Tools for example, such as S-Layer, allow for multiple outs of unique content (especially when manipulated by extrenal control such lemur, ipad lemur, midi or osc control.

True, true. I do like the sub mix strips with Live drum machines and such and that is just an automatic multioutput setup I guess. I guess the thing is that I just don't happen to have the plugs that really need multiout. I really do hate submixing in plugs. Having to open and close windows really messes with the mixing workflow.

[Ogopogo]

Do not confuse the multiout thing please, live supports it internally for vsti but there is no multi channel master out, so no true surround support in live.

I believe that they were not just talking about surround sound, but accessing multiple stereo outs from one vsti.

I think this quote indicates that distinction being made:

So plugins like Jamstix or Kontakt can't be used with their multiouts, only the first two channels are accessible.
I think it's the same in Live.

Studio One (if that is what you refer to as your current DAW) can access multiple outs of VSTis but also has no surround or multichannel abilities other than faking it with sends.

[ThomasHelzle]

Live does allow multiout: http://www.native-instruments.com/knowl ... leton+Live

I'm not big on multiout either though. It seems much simpler to stick each thing on it's own track and not worry about routing.

Wow, now that's convoluted for you - but interesting to know nonetheless - thanks Ogopogo!

Well, I'm not using it too much either, but with Jamstix I found that the multiout sounds better and clearer (in S1) than the internal mixdown, so I use it for that.

Totally off-topic: I just got my Tracktion License from the Charity Auction here on KVR and while it's nodes aren't as deep as those in Usine, you can have multiple VSTi to mangle midi in one "Rack" as they call it, so for generative work it should be pretty nice as an additional option.

Cheers

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

Hi Thomas. I asked a few pages back but my post got lost around yellow and orange writing.

How does bws do tempo mapping?

Pretty sure this hasn't been covered, if it has, my apologies

Yeah, too much garish paint may hide all kinds of good stuff

Tempo mapping is simple: Rightclick on the speed in the transport bar and select to create an automation lane for it. It is then available in the master track for automation. I tried it once so far and it worked fine. Goes down to 20 BPM, upwards I didn't hit the limit if there is one.

Cheers,

Tom

[crashedthecar]

Thanks Tom.

Do audio items have their own tempo maps like in live when you warp the first beat to be fixed to the grid. And bonus question, live can't do this for midi items, can Bitwig?

Thanks again, hope I'm making sense:)

[ThomasHelzle]

Thomas, in your screenshot I see the "packages" under clips in the browser. I guess that lets you save a clip with the instrument preset so you can just drag it in with one action later instead of loading both? Cool beans. I don't believe Live has that. I was wondering about track templates and that sort of stuff.

Hm - AFAIK that is the Bitwig Factory Content Packages. I never tried if I can create "packages" myself somehow.
Clips are Midi AFAIK - I slapped some from the content onto the tracks so that some lights are blinking for the screenshot

These are good points regarding track templates but I don't know yet if that really is what you see there.
The next time I'm in BWS I'll have a look around and try it out.

I just realized that I never tried drag and drop to the browser either, I used the "save preset" button that's available in every device.
Sounds like another testing session tomorrow

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

Thanks Tom.

Do audio items have their own tempo maps like in live when you warp the first beat to be fixed to the grid. And bonus question, live can't do this for midi items, can Bitwig?

Thanks again, hope I'm making sense:)

You can warp Audio in BWS similar to what I know about Live with warp markers, but I am unsure about he tempo mapping, since I never used that in Live... Can you give me a quick idea how that works "warping the first beat to be fixed to the grid"?

Seems I finally learn all the depths of Live by our conversation about BWS here
Nice!

Cheers,

Tom

[crashedthecar]

I don't have live anymore but I remember it as this,
You record, say a reference track to a song with out a click track.
You make a tempo map for that item by placing a warp markers on the one in the measure and then drag those warp markers so the audio is aligned to the grid. Takes 5 mins for 3 minute song.

Effectively that item now has a tempo map. It can follow the project bpm or inversely the project could follow that items tempo map by making it the master.

Their are similarities here to how cubase, sonar and I think pt do this, but do far ableton is way more elegant, except the downside is that you can't tempo map the midi

[ThomasHelzle]

I don't have live anymore but I remember it as this,
You record, say a reference track to a song with out a click track.
You make a tempo map for that item by placing a warp markers on the one in the measure and then drag those warp markers so the audio is aligned to the grid. Takes 5 mins for 3 minute song.

Effectively that item now has a tempo map. It can follow the project bpm or inversely the project could follow that items tempo map by making it the master.

Their are similarities here to how cubase, sonar and I think pt do this, but do far ableton is way more elegant, except the downside is that you can't tempo map the midi

I found what you are talking about: setting clips to "Master" instead of "Slave" so the song tempo follow the clip instead clips following the song tempo. I can't find something like that in BWS, although the equivalent to the Slave setting is the default in BWS and you can preview clips in the song tempo from the browser.

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

Thomas, in your screenshot I see the "packages" under clips in the browser. I guess that lets you save a clip with the instrument preset so you can just drag it in with one action later instead of loading both? Cool beans. I don't believe Live has that. I was wondering about track templates and that sort of stuff.

Good news: I dragged a clip onto the Browser. I was asked for a name and to categorize/tag the clip which was then saved as a user clip. This worked for both audio and midi, so my previous impression was wrong that clips are only midi. But the cool part: when dragging that clip back to a new track, it's completely restored including instruments and effects - which is major cool as you said.

Nice!

Cheers and thanks for the nudge

Tom

[Ogopogo]

Great, thanks I'm definitely going to be using that as I am frequently coming up with melodies or beats that I don't know what to do with at the moment.