Blue Cat's PatchWork - Virtual Plug-Ins Patch bay - Now with MIDI Routing + AU Hosting
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Blue Cat Audio Blue Cat Audio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39981 - KVRAF
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- 6335 posts since 8 Sep, 2004 from Paris (France)
Hi TheoM, it's been a while! 
We hear you. There are indeed tons of great features that we would love to implement... Again, resources are limited, so we are just trying to do our best!
We hear you. There are indeed tons of great features that we would love to implement... Again, resources are limited, so we are just trying to do our best!
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- 35422 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Am I wrong in thinking there's currently no way of the 'passing through' automation data from the host to the parameters of plugins that Patchwork is hosting? (Ive looked at the manual, but all the automation information there that Ive found seems to pertain to automating PatchWork alone.)
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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Blue Cat Audio Blue Cat Audio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39981
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- 6335 posts since 8 Sep, 2004 from Paris (France)
Yes, you are right. This is currently not possible with the initial release.whyterabbyt wrote:Am I wrong in thinking there's currently no way of the 'passing through' automation data from the host to the parameters of plugins that Patchwork is hosting? (Ive looked at the manual, but all the automation information there that Ive found seems to pertain to automating PatchWork alone.)
Right now you can pass MIDI data though, so you can simulate automation using MIDI CC lanes.
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- 35422 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Cheers. Would you be able to comment at this point as to whether its definitely going to happen, or is that an unknown at this point? My main interest is in being able to host VST under PT11 as 'fully' as possible (specifically including automation), and whilst I have a current solution, its slightly overkill, (and doesnt do multichannel IO the way I'd like), and something simpler would be preferable to me in the long term.Blue Cat Audio wrote:Yes, you are right. This is currently not possible with the initial release.whyterabbyt wrote:Am I wrong in thinking there's currently no way of the 'passing through' automation data from the host to the parameters of plugins that Patchwork is hosting? (Ive looked at the manual, but all the automation information there that Ive found seems to pertain to automating PatchWork alone.)
Right now you can pass MIDI data though, so you can simulate automation using MIDI CC lanes.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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Bidule is as complete as it is unfriendly. It's actually officially still in beta! I've done some pretty amazing things with it but the docs are far from comprehensive and if if weren't for the fact that there's a lot of info in the forums (and a responsive dev there as well) I would have given up on it. It'll do anything you want it to, but prepare to spend some serious time with it.TheoM wrote:I heard bidule can do it but I'm not entirely sure as the demo is the standalone only and I'm not willing to spend 100 bucks on a maybe. But this blue cat product is very cheap as a current customer, and of great interest to me. blue, can it do inter plugin in midi chaining?
PatchWork, apart from my own issues, is a nice streamlined sub-host utility. MIDI handling is going to be consideration, but maybe that's just a matter of time. It would be ideal if it offered an internal MIDI patch-bay to route things where we need them and even plugins that could alter the MIDI stream (velocity mods, MIDI echo, clock multiplier, CC scaling, xforms, etc...). You could do all of the above and more with Bidule, but it wouldn't be laid out for you: you'd have to build it all yourself and spend some late nights scratching your head, like many devs do...
Right now PatchWork looks a lot like a newer form of Chainer (I hate xlutop for giving up on that efficient swiss army utility...) without being a standalone host. Like most software, it's a work in progress; hopefully some of these things will come to fruition. Of course, the advantage to having features like the above built into the software is efficiency and reliability. The Bidule model works, but every possible configuration can't be possibly worked out and tested thoroughly by the devs and if you're not careful you can end up with an unstable construct. Software built to specific purposes is generally more solid and the code more efficient.
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Blue Cat Audio Blue Cat Audio https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=39981
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- 6335 posts since 8 Sep, 2004 from Paris (France)
It's hard to say right now, and we cannot commit on future plans anyway (who knows!). So you may have to wait and see, sorry!Would you be able to comment at this point as to whether its definitely going to happen, or is that an unknown at this point?
It is currently the same as for the MB-7 Mixer plug-in: MIDI data that is coming into the PatchWork plug-in is dispatched to all inserted plug-ins. However, there is no chaining, as the plug-in currently does not read the inserted plug-ins MIDI outputs. Does it clarify?So does that mean that its able to route mid controlled vst or not? Not sure, cheers
@Breeze: we should hire you!
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No problem; i'll definiteloy be keeping an eye on its progress.Blue Cat Audio wrote:It's hard to say right now, and we cannot commit on future plans anyway (who knows!). So you may have to wait and see, sorry!Would you be able to comment at this point as to whether its definitely going to happen, or is that an unknown at this point?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRist
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Looks like a useful tool but like whyterabbyt the first thing i wondered was how it handled automation.
Will keep an eye on this one though.
Will keep an eye on this one though.