The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[hibidy]

Like I said, for me, I can't do it.

Sorry I missed it but.....doesn't that also mean I can't use something like omnisphere in multitibral?

[UncleAge]

And instead of sitting around cursing the dark they lit a match.

I might have to plagarize that one.

You mean, like I did?

[Tronam]

Considering the age of so many KVR accounts in here, I would've thought that we've all been through this cycle enough times over the past 10+ years to recognize just how unrealistic it is to want everything, but it still happens every time. When you average out everyone's idea of "essential", the end result is a fantasy program that doesn't and has never existed. That's why there are so many DAWs on the market. In order for Bitwig 1.0 to see the light of day before our hair turns gray the developers need to focus on a stable subset of core features with a somewhat distinctive workflow that works reliably well enough to differentiate itself from what's already on the market, then build up from there. Trying to cater to every power user's potential workflow right out of the gate would be an exercise in futility. For example, much is being made of the lacking multi-output VST support here, but personally I don't find it essential at all, even with Kontakt orchestral projects. I much prefer separate instances for each instrument group, so this deficiency wouldn't affect my workflow at all. Does that make my workflow superior to anyone else's? Of course not, but it just goes to show how subjective these "make or break" features can be.

Ultimately some people are going to be sorely disappointed, this is unavoidable, but not every disappointment has to be an epic fail and much music can be made regardless of a program's shortcomings. One of my favorite music applications, Propellerhead Reason, has numerous limitations and yet I spend a large percentage of my music time in it. Why? Because I simply find composing and creative sound design more fun and inspiring in that environment than anywhere else. Bitwig will probably be exactly the same way for many people... just not Theo.

[hibidy]

Are we going "there" again? It's going to lead to BH if we are. (probably me )

I mean, I'm just trying to understand it, there are no longer any preconceived attitudes or opinions.

HOWEVER, I'm absolutely within all tolerable rights to voice that I like this or don't like that. And, so is anyone else.

Anyways, I had started to follow this thread with interest on many levels....if it's going to be all about a pissing contest again, let me know......I'll just not view any longer.

[tooneba]

So if it is released will ableton sue the company? For example, if Presonus deveoped another Cubase whose color is just different from the original Cubase, Yamaha might have took an action.

[crashedthecar]

Lol no pissing contest is resolved I think. Of course you can voice your reasons for not buying into bw.

The flare up is all gone, now we're all best friends ever

When the demo comes out I'll do a song from start to finish in it, then see what I think then.

[hibidy]

So if it is released will ableton sue the company? For example, if Presonus deveoped another Cubase whose color is just different from the original Cubase, Yamaha might have took an action.

This has been brought up, I don't think so though now. Bitwig does things live doesn't, live does things bitwig doesn't. Wash cycle complete.

[hibidy]

Lol no pissing contest is resolved I think. Of course you can voice your reasons for not buying into bw.

The flare up is all gone, now we're all best friends ever

When the demo comes out I'll do a song from start to finish in it, then see what I think then.

Right! Hey, where are you over "there?" I'm pretty bored.

[tooneba]

Theo M you probably have no idea why others find your post after doms so annoying.

Epic block head

I have an idea, but my opinion is as valid as anyone's.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/blockhead

I had to look that one up as we don't use that here, but since personal abuse is against the rules of kvr, you are not welcome here. Please go away. Mod reported. Try to behave and respect the forum.

I have plenty respect for the forum and particularly for this thread. Take a look for yourself at the last few pages and ask yourself, at what point did this thread go from helpful sharing community to the mind numbingly stupid contrast of your posts.

"mod reported"!!!?? go for gold champ

The thread was fine (well, it was always a bad thread due to various reasons one of them being cat pics) until you started your insults.

No, it was fine until you started with your rude and abusive posts. Maybe someday you will be honest to look at why you are at the center of so many thread conflicts.

Even if Bitwig has made bad software, that is no excuse for your attacks. But that is what abusive personalities do. They find various rationalizations to justify their own abusive actions towards others. And then they have every excuse why it is someone elses fault.

I don't know why Mods have done nothing about the user saying "** is shit" thing this time. When I said something like "Logic is shit" they instantly warned me. Probably because he has over 170000 posts, or it's Bitwig not Logic. IDK.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Tronam]

Are we going "there" again? It's going to lead to BH if we are. (probably me )

I mean, I'm just trying to understand it, there are no longer any preconceived attitudes or opinions.

HOWEVER, I'm absolutely within all tolerable rights to voice that I like this or don't like that. And, so is anyone else.

Anyways, I had started to follow this thread with interest on many levels....if it's going to be all about a pissing contest again, let me know......I'll just not view any longer.

No, it's more like, just because Bitwig doesn't have a built-in notation editor, that doesn't mean it sucks or the sky is falling.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Tronam]

Does it have an event list?

I don't know, but I'm guessing not. If they're aiming at the Ableton market then it's pretty likely they'll skip this kind of old fashioned tomfoolery.

What I'm most curious about though is if Bitwig will introduce some new approaches to music making workflow that I haven't seen before. I think that's where we're going to be seeing the most innovation in the future.

[hibidy]

Are we going "there" again? It's going to lead to BH if we are. (probably me )

I mean, I'm just trying to understand it, there are no longer any preconceived attitudes or opinions.

HOWEVER, I'm absolutely within all tolerable rights to voice that I like this or don't like that. And, so is anyone else.

Anyways, I had started to follow this thread with interest on many levels....if it's going to be all about a pissing contest again, let me know......I'll just not view any longer.

No, it's more like, just because Bitwig doesn't have a built-in notation editor, that doesn't mean it sucks or the sky is falling.

This is true, I understand. But not having mulit outs for vst's is kinda a big deal.

[hibidy]

Theo M you probably have no idea why others find your post after doms so annoying.

Epic block head

I have an idea, but my opinion is as valid as anyone's.

http://thesaurus.com/browse/blockhead

I had to look that one up as we don't use that here, but since personal abuse is against the rules of kvr, you are not welcome here. Please go away. Mod reported. Try to behave and respect the forum.

I have plenty respect for the forum and particularly for this thread. Take a look for yourself at the last few pages and ask yourself, at what point did this thread go from helpful sharing community to the mind numbingly stupid contrast of your posts.

"mod reported"!!!?? go for gold champ

The thread was fine (well, it was always a bad thread due to various reasons one of them being cat pics) until you started your insults.

No, it was fine until you started with your rude and abusive posts. Maybe someday you will be honest to look at why you are at the center of so many thread conflicts.

Even if Bitwig has made bad software, that is no excuse for your attacks. But that is what abusive personalities do. They find various rationalizations to justify their own abusive actions towards others. And then they have every excuse why it is someone elses fault.

I don't know why Mods have done nothing about the user saying "** is shit" thing this time. When I said something like "Logic is shit" they instantly warned me. Probably because he has over 170000 posts, or it's Bitwig not Logic. IDK.

Oh, I dunno. I have more posts than anyone and I was only banned once (it was a PERSONAL attack btw)

I think that it's ok to voice displeasure over certain things, after all, it IS a forum and not everyone will agree.

I think (and part of it was my fault) this thread has gotten to where it's mostly pretty damn good, let's try and keep it that way other than ragging, because everyone is different.

There are some things that are exciting, there are some things that are kinda WTF, we'll see what the finished product is (if there ever is one ) lolzes...couldn't help it