The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

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[crazyfiltertweaker]

wow, what a shitstorm of many people...

[dalor]

Just leaving this here. Cubase 1.0.

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[LawrenceF]

That wasn't the first version they made, that was just "Cubase" 1.0, the name. They had already started it before that with Pro 24 and Cubit.

http://www.atarimusic.net/featured-arti ... -of-cubase

[ThomasHelzle]

Actually, excellent posts. But what about when someone gets really used to having a feature of convenience.. Hence why I used the cell phone analogy earlier.
And no I'm not fully happy with my hosts. With logic I was thrilled until i saw x and how apple have all but destroyed it. I went BACK to an older OS and version 9! Cubase is almost perfect but its tough with dongles on a laptop in a bedroom and unfortunately has some very major bugs.
My expectations were far too high, so in that sense it's my fault. I secretly really was waiting for bitwig to be the one and only. If it has the warping of live but with better quality even, and proper pdc, they were the first main two things. (As even logic doesn't have proper pdc where automation is concerned. Only cubase , pro tools and sonar are really 90% of the way there IMO).

I remember I thought it was all a rouse then when the bitwig guys appeared and people I know here were beta ing, I was so excited I was practically having bitwig dreams at night.

There a lot to appeal.. The inspector is superb, and could probably even cover for me for a midi event list TBH.. Logics event list is amazing, and I do tons of midi in there. But that's because there's other aspects of it which are not amazing and the event list is needed. It probably won't be in bitwig,
X fades, well, of course one can use two tracks. Not ideal, but doable. I used to do that when I used orion and do automation edits as orion didn't have fades at all back then and afaik still doesn't,
Multi out vst, well, that's a tough one, and the best solution IMO would be to use products with fully fledged mixers. For example kontakt and Halion have enough effects internally that really one shouldn't have to use the multi outs, drums are more tricky, but i guess something like bfd3 would be the answer. For edm, I'm not sure tbh.
Rewire.. Well.. That's a tough one as I researched a lot into jack and IMO it's not user friendly at all.
But if the warping in bitwig is good enough there will be no reason to rewire live into it. The only thing would be numerology for mac users would have no way of being used because its rewire or au.
Bidule could be an answer for the multi out stuff and midi fx thing,

Oh, for anyone Curious I successfully got metaplugin working in LOGIC of all things with vst midi plugins, so there is a $39 workaround for bitwig now till they implement it fully. Christian has worked hard to finally get metaplugin really stable, and its a superb sub host plugin chainer.

Snap to zero was someone I spoke to who is testing and said they couldn't find it . I am old school I guess and like to find zero points for cuts when editing.

Take lanes are tough, and I meant for midi there as well,but I guess logic 5 never had them and I did plenty of cool stuff with it.

I only use notation cause I leaned classically and I like to have print outs of my chords also. Sometimes I even mouse in notation, yeah I'm a nerd. No big deal. I could import the midi into a notator.

Performance is troubling though, because my same source said there is definitely no safety buffer on mac. Macs perform very very poorly at low latency for audio, and that's simply a fact of life. Hence why logic always seems to win dsp tests. It cheats, but it works.
Cubase 7 is almost on par now.

Implementing a hybrid buffer is a massive task. Pro tools had to be completely re written from ground up and steinberg have implemented it with an almost amazing amount of problems. Hence why I was hoping it would be there in bitwig from the start, as in, the whole app was designed with max plug in performance from the get go.

A drum editor/step sequencer I am very used to. Unless I am mistaken bitwig only has a piano roll for drums? Please, I would be thrilled to be wrong there.

Vst 3 support, well as long as it can do vst 2 sidechain directly then it's not an issue, the only other benefit being the "not use processor when idle" thing of vst3, and only one plug in covering all routings rather than mono and stereo versions and configs, there's sometimes four vst2 to one vst3 with some devs.

It does have a lot going for it but I'd love to know what the roadmap is. And whether the initial release time with 1.0, would not be indicative of future development time.

Anyway that's my serious post, but more than anything I really wanted to let you guys know about the metaplugin for midi fx workaround, cause it really actually works.

Good points Theo.

I can't speak for Mac/OSX (not my world). On Windows 8 and for what I do, I don't encounter performance problems. It feels similar to Live 8.

A drum view may be possible to implement without too much problems, even if not for 1.0, if enough users are interested in it - just my guess of course.

If I read threads from developers about VST3, I'm not in any hurry to have it. The few plugins I have already in that format do nothing for me. Maybe it's different in Cubase, but in Studio One (the only VST3 host I have) it's useless.
Note Expression in VST 3.5 is the one thing I would be interested in, BWS already has it for the internal instruments so I don't doubt that over time it may come if Steinberg doesn't screw up developer-relations completely (which they seem to be working on hard ).

Jack on Linux is a royal pain with Firewire devices and I'm not really convinced of it either, but I think I never in my life used rewire (not sure why) so I guess I will not even notice it missing

Since you mentioned the name "Bitwig Studio": I think this is another of those innocent things that just happen sometimes.
The company itself is called Bitwig, so there was need to differentiate the company from the product. BWS was chosen.
I would guess the name was never meant to imply something like Notation etc. but that is what I was talking about before: each of us has his own associations, needs and views and you can never prevent misunderstandings, no matter how hard you try.

It was the same with VST3: When someone on this thread finally brought to attention why everybody thought BWS supports VST3 and I sent it in a mail to Dom, he laughed really hard for minutes, since he always wondered where this idea came from, not noticing that the VST logo on the homepage contained a stylized "3" - the graphics artist simply didn't realize that this was a logo for a specific version...

This is what life is like. Stuff happens, somebody takes something small very serious that somebody else doesn't even notice and you end up in all kinds of trouble.

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

That wasn't the first version they made, that was just "Cubase" 1.0, the name. They had already started it before that with Pro 24 and Cubit.

http://www.atarimusic.net/featured-arti ... -of-cubase

Hah!

I never had an Atari but an Amiga 500, so my first sequencer was Bars&Pipes - "Modular" Midi Fun



Together with a Döpfer LMK3 and a Roland U220 that was my start into the world of digital audio...

Ahhhh, the old times

Cheers,

Tom

[LawrenceF]

My first...

[SJ_Digriz]

I'm another that started with Bars&Pipes + Studio Pro and Dr T's ...

[ThomasHelzle]

I initially bought the Amiga 500 to learn to type with 10 fingers.
Took me 2 weeks with an old course book for secretaries - best thing I ever did.

When I moved to Berlin not too long after, I got into making music with it and then I saw the first Pixar shorts...
3D won, but after some time audio came back and now is a big part of my life.

Funny how things go sometimes...

Cheers,

Tom

[SJ_Digriz]

I initially bought the Amiga 500 to learn to type with 10 fingers.
Took me 2 weeks with an old course book for secretaries - best thing I ever did.

When I moved to Berlin not too long after, I got into making music with it and then I saw the first Pixar shorts...
3D won, but after some time audio came back and now is a big part of my life.

Funny how things go sometimes...

Cheers,

Tom

Video Toaster FTW ..

[Ogopogo]

edit. nm
That is really funny about the vst3 thing though.

[ThomasHelzle]

I don't think they really intend Bitwig to be just for live, and "studio" was chosen to reflect that.

I guess they just don't intend it to be used the same way as other daw, and more like an instrument as was said, and for people to whom crossfades and comping may not be that important. Live always kind of seemed to me to be sort of an "artists/performers" daw. Yes, it's true that doing some stuff like drum comping would be pretty much impossible, but that's why; you just play it again if you don't get it right, and concentrate on the performance and the capture.

Ooops, I didn't intend to imply that - sorry.

Cheers,

Tom

[bronxsound]

That wasn't the first version they made, that was just "Cubase" 1.0, the name. They had already started it before that with Pro 24 and Cubit.

http://www.atarimusic.net/featured-arti ... -of-cubase

Pro24 was great! St520 and later Mega ST were my first sequencers hooked to Casio VZ-1, Roland Juno 2, Roland MT, Yamaha CS1X, Yamaha SU10, Boss Dr660, Roland Sound Canvas.... and there was no latency, MIDI interfaces etc. Life was simple and cheerful

[Ogopogo]

Ooops, I didn't intend to imply that - sorry.

Cheers,

Tom

Ah, yes I realized that probably wasn't what you meant and then edited, but too late.