KVR Audio

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 5:55 pm

Sampletank 3 is the only new plug in I am waiting for. I love Sampletank 2 but its a pain to use with J Bridge so its sitting on the side lines until version 3 comes. Any day now! Wooooo! Even if it ends up out in March I think I would be very excited at this point.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:09 pm

it really makes no difference when Sampletank 3 comes out... if Sampletank 3 does not come out in 2013 going forward how do we look at the IK Multimedia reps?

that is the number one question...

then we would have to determine if we were misinformed or lied too... because the better part of 2013 we have heard... "i cant speak on that (i.e. features)... but one thing i know for sure is that Sampletank 3 is coming out in 2013..."

if Sampletank 3 does not come out in 2013... i do hope that the IK Multimedia reps get a nice holiday bonus for stringing us along for the last 10 months... that would be a job well done...

KevWestBeats · Post by **KevWestBeats** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:13 pm

I see where you are coming from and I kind of agree. I think it would be disappointing for a lot of people. I would personally be more disappointed if it came out and was buggy. I have no problem with waiting if it means the release will be better. IK to me come off as perfectionists and I like that about them. They want their stuff to be perfect in their vision so I say have at it. If it takes another year I am okay but if it gets pushed back again I think we should hear about it and a reason why since we have been told all year that it would be out by the end of 2013. I don't blame the reps because their reps are likely just passing on the information they were given. They are not the guys actually coding the software and sampling the instruments.

JCJR · Post by **JCJR** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 6:36 pm

Peter - IK Multimedia wrote:Edit - It was way too long, just go find and read my numbered list post and you'll understand. I will simply repost or point to that post from here on in where appropriate because it pretty much covers and dispels the myth of this being a simple 64-bit upgrade.

Peter, a quick question which may have been covered somewhere in the past.

I like sampletank, but have you had many requests for a bigger display window? Especially in standalone mode?

I didn't play much for the last couple of years but have been recreational playing with sampletank 2.5 some over the last couple of weeks, and it about makes me go blind trying to adjust so much info in such a tiny window, even with a big monitor mounted right in my face.

Just saying, the exact same info and functionality, in an optional near-full-screen window would make the program a lot more fun to me. The 2.5 user interface seems adequately functional, but just microscopically tiny.

Thanks

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:01 pm

KevWestBeats wrote:I see where you are coming from and I kind of agree. I think it would be disappointing for a lot of people. I would personally be more disappointed if it came out and was buggy. I have no problem with waiting if it means the release will be better. IK to me come off as perfectionists and I like that about them. They want their stuff to be perfect in their vision so I say have at it. If it takes another year I am okay but if it gets pushed back again I think we should hear about it and a reason why since we have been told all year that it would be out by the end of 2013. I don't blame the reps because their reps are likely just passing on the information they were given. They are not the guys actually coding the software and sampling the instruments.

"perfectionist"? cant tell you how many years IK Multimedia lead us to believe that bug fixes were coming to Sampletank 2.5... to find out years later those changes are not possible i.e. scroll bar...

about the Reps... they have lead us to believe that they are getting their information directly from management... just go back and read the posts...

all i am saying... if Sampletank 3 is not released in 2013 the reps will have egg on their faces... i.e. lied/stung us along...

you cant get around that...

actually... one of the reps offered me a free copy of IK Multimedia software if Sampletank 3 did not come out in 2013... sounded pretty sure of himself...

we still have about 40 days left in 2013... time will tell...

i may be putting the cart before the horse here... but time will tell!!!

Hewitt Huntwork · Post by **Hewitt Huntwork** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 8:32 pm

Anticipating a product can be fun. A company gives out some information, and in exchange, you feel anticipation and enthusiasm. Simple transaction. If anticipating it stops being fun, you alone are responsible for your continued participation in the transaction. Not Peter, not IK, just you.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:14 pm

i guess every individual is different... Sampletank 3 will not make me or break me... personal skillz and toolz are two different things... my personal skillz say... it makes no difference what the toolz are... i own komplete ultimate 9/tons of kontakt powered libraries, specstrasonic suite (stylus rmx, omisphere, trillian), east/west composers bundle (few other east/west libraries) and halion sonic 2... i cant see Sampletank 3 actually making a difference in what i already own...

i do believe reps coming on forums stringing customers along is wrong... especially for ik multimedia... for us long term Sampletank users they have been doing this for years... just google "Sampletank 3"... and see for yourself...

now you talk about the "anticipation"... i own Sampletank since 2003 and over the last ten years they have been talking about an update... at this point is has become a "joke"... again google "Sampletank 3"...

personally... if the update price is not $99 for the long term customers... ik multimedia can keep Sampletank 3...in others words... there is no "anticipation" for me... i have a wait and see attitude... and you go back and read this thread... the Reps did everything except for putting their life on Sampletank 3 release in 2013... for us long term users... this is pretty funny...

therefore... for some there may be some anticipation... but for me... i am only interested in how ik multimedia treats their long term customers... i.e. what type of company are they really?

i forgot to add... Sampletank 3 could come out tomorrow or next year this time... the key is how ik multimedia treats their long term customers...

HM · Post by HM » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:14 pm

Hewitt Huntwork wrote:Anticipating a product can be fun. A company gives out some information, and in exchange, you feel anticipation and enthusiasm. Simple transaction. If anticipating it stops being fun, you alone are responsible for your continued participation in the transaction. Not Peter, not IK, just you.

Yeah, that seems to be the culture, I still hope better,..

HM · Post by HM » Sun Nov 17, 2013 9:20 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote:now you talk about the "anticipation?

I think, and hope, he was just ironic

As for your post I agree full-hearted, I was in from the start also ST-1 up

frankz00 · Post by **frankz00** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:34 pm

KevWestBeats wrote:I see where you are coming from and I kind of agree. I think it would be disappointing for a lot of people. I would personally be more disappointed if it came out and was buggy. I have no problem with waiting if it means the release will be better. IK to me come off as perfectionists and I like that about them. They want their stuff to be perfect in their vision so I say have at it. If it takes another year I am okay but if it gets pushed back again I think we should hear about it and a reason why since we have been told all year that it would be out by the end of 2013. I don't blame the reps because their reps are likely just passing on the information they were given. They are not the guys actually coding the software and sampling the instruments.

I agree. I'd rather it come out right than broken. I'm dealing with iOS7 now and I DON'T want the same headache in my DAW. As long as they get it right, I won't be mad. I can wait...

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 12:51 pm

i understand that we're all passionate about our tools here... but in the end it's just software. get over it, and wait for release announcement

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:01 pm

Burillo wrote:i understand that we're all passionate about our tools here... but in the end it's just software. get over it, and wait for release announcement

it is not about passion for me... it is about "stringing your customers along"... i own enough tools already that Sampletank 3 will not make a difference... that "stringing your customers along" is the problem for me...

again... just google Sampletank 3... there are some threads out there that goes back for years... talking about Sampletank 3 is coming out...

we are at the point where it is like "the boy who called wolf"!!!

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:07 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote:
Burillo wrote:i understand that we're all passionate about our tools here... but in the end it's just software. get over it, and wait for release announcement
it is not about passion for me... it is about "stringing your customers along"... i own enough tools already that Sampletank 3 will not make a difference... that "stringing your customers along" is the problem for me...

again... just google Sampletank 3... there are some threads out there that goes back for years... talking about Sampletank 3 is coming out...

we are at the point where it is like "the boy who called wolf"!!!

who is stringing customers along? i don't think anyone started saving up for Sampletank 3 yet, because it's not even announced yet, let alone released. what amounts to "stringing" in this case? you yourself said you have enough tools already, so why even bother coming here?

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:27 pm

Burillo wrote:
neverenoughfunk wrote:
Burillo wrote:i understand that we're all passionate about our tools here... but in the end it's just software. get over it, and wait for release announcement
it is not about passion for me... it is about "stringing your customers along"... i own enough tools already that Sampletank 3 will not make a difference... that "stringing your customers along" is the problem for me...

again... just google Sampletank 3... there are some threads out there that goes back for years... talking about Sampletank 3 is coming out...

we are at the point where it is like "the boy who called wolf"!!!
who is stringing customers along? i don't think anyone started saving up for Sampletank 3 yet, because it's not even announced yet, let alone released. what amounts to "stringing" in this case? you yourself said you have enough tools already, so why even bother coming here?

again... as a owner of Sampletank since 2003 (which is 10 years ago by the way)... ik multimedia has said that Sampletank 3 is coming... i may be wrong... but there are some Sampletank users that have been "strung along" for 10 years or more... that is a fact... coupled that fact with the reps coming on forums and telling the long term customers to purchase ios products to build up your points to get Sampletank 3 at a discount price...

if you do not know the history of ik multimedia it would be pretty hard to have this conversation... but individuals that know the history ik multimedia understands completely what i am talking about...

about... "me having enough tools already, so why even bother coming here"... basically, the same reason why you posted in this thread... you felt like it... right? that is what forums are for... individuals expressing their views/opinions... here in the United States of America... we call it Freedom of Speech!!! it is a beautiful thing to be able to express your views/opinions...

now... if i have written an untruth/lie... please point it out... if not... dont question what i write... because i do have a right... right? maybe? sometimes?

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Nov 18, 2013 2:54 pm

More money in iToys, obviously.

Look: this isn't a question of 'anticipation' for me; it is a question of being able to continue to use IKM VIs that I paid good money for, as they were meant to be used. I don't mean having to use any of the workarounds for 64 bit DAWs--I have VSL VEPro 5, and it's all very nice, but still a workaround. I've expanded my palette of sounds from synthetic to organic since upgrading to Logic Pro X, so I am not hugely dependent upon those 5 IKM VIs. As I've said before, the 64 bit update should've been done as a matter of course. It was not. I am no programmer, but it doesn't seem terribly resource-intensive to re-write what is basically a shell for the samples to work in 64 bit properly. All of the other plugin companies whose products I own managed to do this with no fuss or muss.

Until I can use those 5 IKM VIs without a 3rd party plugin, I will not purchase another thing from them.

Simple, really.

Countdown to Sample Tank 3, with 64 bit support