Countdown to Sample Tank 3, with 64 bit support

[Teksonik]

i don't think anyone started saving up for Sampletank 3 yet, because it's not even announced yet,

Have you not been paying attention ? From the first post in this thread:

As stated multiple times before, many times here, SampleTank 3 will be 64-bit, will load/import previous Powered By SampleTank libraries, and will be released by the end of the year.

So they still have 40 days or so to make that promised deadline but Sampletank 3 has been "in development" for several years so like I said earlier iK Multimedia should be happy that after all this time people still care about a Sampletank 3. The "fun of anticipation" has worn off long, long ago. As I also said earlier I'd rather ST3 be done right instead of right now so I'm in no hurry but if I can find a good deal on Kontatk before ST3 stops being vaporware then Sampletank will be in my rear view mirror......

[beltrom]

Sigh - things happening while writing an answer. Need to learn to be faster and not so easily distracted...

[bioroid]

It's almost here! I am so excite!

[lotus2035]

...but let's not become anti-semantic either

Come on now let's not become anti anti-semantic either.

[Burillo]

i know full well both the history of IK and history of sampletank threads in particular. that doesn't change the fact that no one is "stringing you along". there was no announcement. there were no concrete dates given. you can perhaps blame IK for announcing and then cancelling StudiophoniK, but not ST3. they may very well be working on it, and it may very well take a lot of time, given that they have all these other products. i would understand if ST3 release was something akin to Amplitube Metal, when they finally released it what, 9 months after announcement? but this is not the case with ST3. would you feel better if they gave a date and then delayed it indefinitely? or that they released an unfinished product that they aren't completely happy with? would that frustrate you less than the wait?

[donato]

As I've said before, the 64 bit update should've been done as a matter of course. It was not. I am no programmer, but it doesn't seem terribly resource-intensive to re-write what is basically a shell for the samples to work in 64 bit properly. All of the other plugin companies whose products I own managed to do this with no fuss or muss.

Until I can use those 5 IKM VIs without a 3rd party plugin, I will not purchase another thing from them.

Simple, really.

I'm in the same boat and feel the same way. What's really shady is if you search this forum for old posts, IK representatives have heavily implied that there would be a free player. This at times when they were trying to sell their grossly out-dated deeply discounted bundles as well. Once they pretty much dried out of sales they came back and said, no 64 bit free player. Additionally I feel their transfer and download fees are ridiculous. It's a very unethical company in my book. I probably would've bought a lot more products from them by now, but I refuse to give them any more money.

[Teksonik]

there was no announcement. there were no concrete dates given.

A person who calls themselves an iK Multimedia spokesperson (forum name Peter - IK Multimedia) posted it would be released by the end of the year....that's a pretty concrete date.

or that they released an unfinished product that they aren't completely happy with? would that frustrate you less than the wait?

If you had bothered to read my posts you would realize I'm not "frustrated" and that I also wrote I'd "rather have it done right than right now". I'm simply considering a purchase of Kontakt which is an actual released product and not vaporware. If ST3 is released before I purchase Kontakt then I'll certainly consider it based on specs and upgrade price. It's simple business...and again the fact that people are still talking about ST3 and haven't moved on yet years after it was first announced to be in development should make iK Multimedia happy. But as I said a few pages ago if I were iKM I wouldn't assume interest will continue forever..........

http://www.sweetwater.com/forums/showth ... mpleTank-3

Check the date of that post.....over 5 years is a long development cycle especially given the number of other software products iKM has released in that time period. One could argue that ST2 users care more about version 3 than iKM........but we won't go there.....

[gamecat666]

As I've said before, the 64 bit update should've been done as a matter of course. It was not. I am no programmer, but it doesn't seem terribly resource-intensive to re-write what is basically a shell for the samples to work in 64 bit properly. All of the other plugin companies whose products I own managed to do this with no fuss or muss.

Until I can use those 5 IKM VIs without a 3rd party plugin, I will not purchase another thing from them.

Simple, really.

+1000

if theres no free player to use existing VI's I own, i'll probably give my IK account away as i'll have no use for it.

[BERFAB]

I've got mixed emotions on this.

I don't, generally speaking, mind paying for a substantial update. And ST3 sounds like it would fall into that category. Plus, I'll once again be able to use all my IK libraries.

That said, I think it stinks that there couldn't be some sort of player patch/fix for ST 2.5 to get it into the x64 realm. Both the Amplitube and T-Racks line eventually came around to this. Surely the former flagship product deserved SOME attention, no?

As far as a fair upgrade to ST3, I do have to say that, once all the dust has settled, I think on balance IK did ok by its customers for the various upgrades to its other products. I trust that the execs at IK are most definitely giving serious thought as to how a fair upgrade path can be obtained.

FWIW, this is turning into a big year for x64. Sonoma just announced x64 is coming to DrumCore 4, and FLS is readying its official release of the x64 version. When those are released with ST3, I'll be officially done whining about x64 compatibility.

Cheers
=B

[Peter - IK Multimedia]

There will be no free player upon release. Upon release. That's the wording, not a promise not anything but the information I have been given. Same thing about other things, and yes things do change or stuff happens and I have no control over it so however it happens it will happen. If anything changes, I'll pass on the information as I'm given at the time. At this point, we will likely be passing any information, status, changes, etc via our official channels so you ought to watch there as it will minimize any confusion.

A couple of other things - our iOS products do not generate JamPoints so I would never have said anything of the sort. Sorry that someone got that impression and spread it in the same breath as implying that I've been misinforming, etc but it simply is not true. It is also not true that we spent resources that could have been working on SampleTank 3 on iOS products - it has been stated before again and again that we actually efficiently use sounds from ST3 (and code directly derived from other products like AmpliTube and T-RackS) in our iOS products.

And yes it will have a bigger GUI apparently. Looks good from what I've seen. But you'll see any official information through our official channels. Again, I've stated the information I've been given and if anything changes, that's the way things go and you can find out directly from here on in.

Also, I see the myth that a 64-bit update to the existing code would be simple. That is not true, and I post plenty of information about this in my post with the numbered list. Please also remember to refer to that as the FAQ of sorts for many of the things that are coming up again and again in this thread.

[Numanoid]

Only 43 days left for to save up money for the upgrade

[neverenoughfunk]

A couple of other things - our iOS products do not generate JamPoints so I would never have said anything of the sort. Sorry that someone got that impression and spread it in the same breath as implying that I've been misinforming, etc but it simply is not true.

first off... you are not the only ik multimedia rep on the internet... and i will be the first to say that you did not make that comment... but it has been made... on several occasions...

just hoping you are not implying that i am lying... because it has been said by an ik multimedia rep (but not you)...

[BBFG#]

A bigger GUI and 64 bit addresses my needs. Anything after that is a bonus. Still no hint on an upgrade price though?

[Bombadil]

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Also, I see the myth that a 64-bit update to the existing code would be simple. That is not true, and I post plenty of information about this in my post with the numbered list. Please also remember to refer to that as the FAQ of sorts for many of the things that are coming up again and again in this thread.

How do you account for the fact that most, if not all, of the major players in the industry updated their software gratis for their current customers? Please. We are talking about all the plugins that were originally designed and released as 32 bit, undergoing the necessary coding to make them 64 bit compatible. And IK Multimedia didn't think enough of their current customers to do likewise? That's what it certainly looks like to me, and to many others, regardless of how IKM wants to spin this.

[neverenoughfunk]

i know full well both the history of IK and history of sampletank threads in particular. that doesn't change the fact that no one is "stringing you along". there was no announcement. there were no concrete dates given. you can perhaps blame IK for announcing and then cancelling StudiophoniK, but not ST3. they may very well be working on it, and it may very well take a lot of time, given that they have all these other products. i would understand if ST3 release was something akin to Amplitube Metal, when they finally released it what, 9 months after announcement? but this is not the case with ST3. would you feel better if they gave a date and then delayed it indefinitely? or that they released an unfinished product that they aren't completely happy with? would that frustrate you less than the wait?

if you read my posts... they are about "how ik multimedia is going to treat their long term customers" i.e. the ones that did not get the sampletank collection during a group buy... the ones that paid "full" price...

about "stringing along" and since you know the history of ik multimedia and sampletank... you do realize that Sampletank came out when steinberg hypersonic 1 came out... you do know since that time span hypersonic 2, halion sonic and halion sonic 2 has been released... question... if the customer based for the last 7 years has been asking for when Sampletank 3 is coming and the answer is... "we are working on it"... i would consider that "stringing along"... especially when that response come with... "buy ios products and build up your points to get sampletank 3 with a discount"...

buying tools when it comes to music production is an investment... over the last 10 years native instrument, specstrasonics, steinberg, east/west have all updated their products with reasonable update pricing with 64-bit apps... the way things look... investing into ik multimedia seems like a shaky investment... i am strictly going by the Sampletank track record...

last point about 2013 release... from a business prospective wouldnt it make sense/more sense for ik multimedia to wait for a NAMM release i.e. the 3rd week in Jan...