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I thought this was really interesting! Just wanted to share!
Darn and there was another "Everything Else" topic I wanted to post...but now I feel like I would be flooding the forums if I made another post...guess I'll wait to post that other topic
Darwinian Evolution is in Music
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- KVRAF
- 2295 posts since 18 Oct, 2010 from Japan
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- KVRAF
- 3321 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
But what happened to the ferrets?ntom wrote:Jump to 2:21
I thought this was really interesting! Just wanted to share!
Darn and there was another "Everything Else" topic I wanted to post...but now I feel like I would be flooding the forums if I made another post...guess I'll wait to post that other topic
What do those black-and-white buttons do?
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- Banned
- 12367 posts since 30 Apr, 2002 from i might peeramid
and so is GMO
you come and go, you come and go. amitabha neither a follower nor a leader be tagore "where roads are made i lose my way" where there is certainty, consideration is absent.
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- KVRAF
- 3321 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
Actually, it is interesting. But the researchers in question should be very careful drawing biological analogies with poll-based selection criteria. I imagine all of the initial samples were pleasing sounds, so the researchers fulfilled their preconceptions with the evolution of the prettiest.
But what if half of the samples were horrible grinding industrial noise and half of those picked to vote on them were industrial music enthusiasts - so that half of the + votes ended up being noise samples and they were "bred" with the prettier sounds. What happens then?
But what if half of the samples were horrible grinding industrial noise and half of those picked to vote on them were industrial music enthusiasts - so that half of the + votes ended up being noise samples and they were "bred" with the prettier sounds. What happens then?
What do those black-and-white buttons do?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2295 posts since 18 Oct, 2010 from Japan
Well in this case we were natural selection.SODDI wrote:Actually, it is interesting. But the researchers in question should be very careful drawing biological analogies with poll-based selection criteria. I imagine all of the initial samples were pleasing sounds, so the researchers fulfilled their preconceptions with the evolution of the prettiest.
But what if half of the samples were horrible grinding industrial noise and half of those picked to vote on them were industrial music enthusiasts - so that half of the + votes ended up being noise samples and they were "bred" with the prettier sounds. What happens then?
Natural selection may favor at sometimes one group because of certain circumstances, but the majority overall will favor a specific group over a longer period of time.
So yes, a small group of industrial heads may have liked some more noisy sounds, but if an average sized community of average people stepped in, who is the dominant favor? So if 40% were industrial heads and the 60% were pretty people, although the 40% may survive long, eventually the breeding will over take all 40%.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
thats not really how evolution works though.
its about mutations in a small number of the population. some of those mutations become favourable to the opposite sex, eg in giraffes, because males fight for breeding rights (as with many species) the one with a slightly longer neck had better odds in the battle, so his mutation was bred into the next generation, over thousands of years giraffes necks have become what we see today.
if youve never seen giraffes fighting, look for it, theyre brutal bastards! which you never imagined as a kid at the zoo...
its about mutations in a small number of the population. some of those mutations become favourable to the opposite sex, eg in giraffes, because males fight for breeding rights (as with many species) the one with a slightly longer neck had better odds in the battle, so his mutation was bred into the next generation, over thousands of years giraffes necks have become what we see today.
if youve never seen giraffes fighting, look for it, theyre brutal bastards! which you never imagined as a kid at the zoo...
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 2295 posts since 18 Oct, 2010 from Japan
Well yes, it's small mutations that favor the survival of the race. So, in this case, for the timid and humble music to survive in this world, it seems that the music that is bred with gentler, prettier tones will survive more favorably than music that is bred harshly.
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- addled muppet weed
- 111343 posts since 26 Jan, 2003 from through the looking glass
hmm, i not sure about that.
i think its more that people of "the next generation" always want something that is their own, so they look for things their parents wouldnt listen to. otherwise classical music cds would be outselling heavy metal.
so music does evolve, just not in darwinian terms. imo.
i think its more that people of "the next generation" always want something that is their own, so they look for things their parents wouldnt listen to. otherwise classical music cds would be outselling heavy metal.
so music does evolve, just not in darwinian terms. imo.
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- KVRAF
- 37547 posts since 14 Sep, 2002 from In teh net
That's sexual selection, not natural selectionvurt wrote:thats not really how evolution works though.
its about mutations in a small number of the population. some of those mutations become favourable to the opposite sex, eg in giraffes, because males fight for breeding rights (as with many species) the one with a slightly longer neck had better odds in the battle, so his mutation was bred into the next generation, over thousands of years giraffes necks have become what we see today.
if youve never seen giraffes fighting, look for it, theyre brutal bastards! which you never imagined as a kid at the zoo...
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- KVRAF
- 3321 posts since 2 Jul, 2007
Natural selection is also subject to random external events. At the end of the Permian age, something happened - or a confluence of things happened - that drove 95% of all species of life on Earth to extinction. All life on this planet now is descended from that 5% that lived.
Perhaps the species that survived were simply fitter - but it is more likely that they were simply geologically/ecologically isolated from the effects of the Permian Extinction Event (PEE). Among the species that were killed off there may have been candidates who were far fitter for survival, but they had the bad luck to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Back to the music analogy - to mimic real natural selection, the researchers should simply arbitrarily and randomly wipe out 17 of the 20 musical candidates and see what "breeds" out of the remaining 3.
As to my suggested "industrial" candidate:
Perhaps the species that survived were simply fitter - but it is more likely that they were simply geologically/ecologically isolated from the effects of the Permian Extinction Event (PEE). Among the species that were killed off there may have been candidates who were far fitter for survival, but they had the bad luck to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Back to the music analogy - to mimic real natural selection, the researchers should simply arbitrarily and randomly wipe out 17 of the 20 musical candidates and see what "breeds" out of the remaining 3.
As to my suggested "industrial" candidate:
What do those black-and-white buttons do?
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Ever seen squirrels fighting and screaming?vurt wrote:if youve never seen giraffes fighting, look for it, theyre brutal bastards! which you never imagined as a kid at the zoo...
They look so cute but they can scream & fight like a whole herd of zombies!
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- KVRAF
- 10171 posts since 2 Jan, 2005 from somewhere in the woods
omg, what a sound!
"It dreamed itself along"
