So the Propellerhead's forum is down. Post in here if you normally post there.

[Tronam]

Knowing Props they will probably get around to it in about 6 months or so they probably gave Mattias the responsibility of running the whole forum, while also running the blog, creating tutorials, and doing presentations.

If they're thinking about going with different forum server software altogether it could be even longer. Hopefully it's just a matter of security patching or upgrading to the latest vBulletin to get this sorted. Perhaps this was the impetus for them to take it down:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2064440/ ... forum.html

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Grumbleweed]

This is silly. They should prioritize this. That forum is so popular amongst its user base and I guarantee this is upsetting to the users, and will also impact RE sales. What a shame. I just have this crazy feeling they didn't want the hassle of a forum anymore and used what happened as an excuse to finally shut it down. I don't think it will be back but we will see. I hope I am wrong.

This is the right time for someone to create a dedicated solely propellerheads focused third party forum, I wonder if anyone will do it..

I don't think they could go it alone as the only music software company without a forum. It is a strange situation though - they haven't put out a newsletter explaining the situation and my twitter feed isn't alive with information.

It isn't sending the right message to their user base nor to potential buyers of their products. Like you said, REs aren't going to get the exposure they (probably) need so all in all......it sucks!

By the way, EditEd4TV created a Reason forum a few years back that may still be alive.

[MachineClaw]

Thanks for the tutorial links. much appreciated.

I for got about macvideo.

[Tronam]

I just have this crazy feeling they didn't want the hassle of a forum anymore and used what happened as an excuse to finally shut it down. I don't think it will be back but we will see. I hope I am wrong.

Seriously?

[stroker_ace]

It's just Props being Props, treating its user base like an afterthought and not bothering to keep them updated.

Even a "there's nothing to report" update is something, as it's a gesture of respect. But they just don't know to do that. Or they choose not to.

But Reason only got MIDI out 6 months ago; they're not exactly first responders.

I don't think it's hurting sales too much at the moment, but it would seem strange if the forum wasn't up and running by December 1st (a week from today), when the Christmas sale should start.

People singing the praises of rack extensions they've just bought would definitely spark even more sales.

[kae]

It's just Props being Props, treating its user base like an afterthought and not bothering to keep them updated.

Even a "there's nothing to report" update is something, as it's a gesture of respect. But they just don't know to do that. Or they choose not to.

That's something I keep hearing around in various forums. Can't be good for business to get that rep.

But Reason only got MIDI out 6 months ago; they're not exactly first responders.

I don't think it's hurting sales too much at the moment, but it would seem strange if the forum wasn't up and running by December 1st (a week from today), when the Christmas sale should start.

People singing the praises of rack extensions they've just bought would definitely spark even more sales.

It's Black Friday in 5 days. Closing down the forums just before Black Friday & Christmas time doesn't sound like a good idea. From what I've heard the RE sales aren't very good and this sure doesn't help. Although I respect the reason behind the action because they would probably get more problems if personal data was hijacked, it does feels like they took it down before they had a good plan to get it/something up again.

[cyberheater]

This is silly. They should prioritize this. That forum is so popular amongst its user base and I guarantee this is upsetting to the users, and will also impact RE sales. What a shame. I just have this crazy feeling they didn't want the hassle of a forum anymore and used what happened as an excuse to finally shut it down. I don't think it will be back but we will see. I hope I am wrong.

This is the right time for someone to create a dedicated solely propellerheads focused third party forum, I wonder if anyone will do it..

Yeah. I strongly suspect you are right. If that's the case I'm going to abandon Reason. They won't get another penny out of me.

[stroker_ace]

It's just Props being Props, treating its user base like an afterthought and not bothering to keep them updated.

Even a "there's nothing to report" update is something, as it's a gesture of respect. But they just don't know to do that. Or they choose not to.

That's something I keep hearing around in various forums. Can't be good for business to get that rep.

It's a very, very strange mix; they're stone-faced silent about everything, yet they're years behind the times on some stuff.

I could see being ultra-secretive if they were cutting edge with things, but they're mainly just playing catch up, so why bother with secrecy?

And the secrecy actually works against them, as it creates higher expectations.

And with something like this, it's just basic customer service to update the community periodically with progress reports, or even lack-of-progress reports.

It's Black Friday in 5 days. Closing down the forums just before Black Friday & Christmas time doesn't sound like a good idea. From what I've heard the RE sales aren't very good and this sure doesn't help. Although I respect the reason behind the action because they would probably get more problems if personal data was hijacked, it does feels like they took it down before they had a good plan to get it/something up again.

Propellerheads kind of had to do that, as the forum log-in is the same for the shop log-in, and they store users' cc info.

It would have been a right mess if hackers got in and started clicking "buy" buttons.

[Frantz]

There is no general purpose vBulletin exploit. A moderator used the same password on vBulletin and MacRumors. Most likely the same login/password appeared in a leaked password database. Once someone figured out the moderator's password, they were able to post an HTML announcement which contained an elaborate attack that ultimately lead to the sites being compromised. It's all explained here:

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/11/vbul ... ord-reset/
http://blog.canonical.com/2013/07/30/ub ... st-mortem/

Props just needs to:

1) make sure all moderator passwords are not recycled from other sites
2) disable HTML posts/announcements for everyone except the site administrator
3) bring the forum back up


Of course, they won't do that because it would be too easy. They will most likely spend 5 years coding proprietary forum software which will run as an expensive Rack Extension.

[Lunesis]

There is no general purpose vBulletin exploit. A moderator used the same password on vBulletin and MacRumors. Most likely the same login/password appeared in a leaked password database. Once someone figured out the moderator's password, they were able to post an HTML announcement which contained an elaborate attack that ultimately lead to the sites being compromised. It's all explained here:

http://krebsonsecurity.com/2013/11/vbul ... ord-reset/
http://blog.canonical.com/2013/07/30/ub ... st-mortem/

Props just needs to:

1) make sure all moderator passwords are not recycled from other sites
2) disable HTML posts/announcements for everyone except the site administrator
3) bring the forum back up


Of course, they won't do that because it would be too easy. They will most likely spend 5 years coding proprietary forum software which will run as an expensive Rack Extension.

Wow, that's sad. They do really seem to enjoy shooting themselves in the foot whenever they get the opportunity. But then they say "Oh, no worries, just a scratch!" as they bleed out and hobble around. Their stubborn pride paired with their hands off approach to PR is their biggest obstacle.

[ezelkow1]

So anyone know what kind of deals to expect on the props store during BF->christmas? This is the first holiday season Ive owned reason so didnt know what to expect

[Tronam]

No KVR thread is complete without conspiracy theories, doomsday scenarios, and armchair experts. Oh, and snarky comments from idiots like me.

[Lunesis]

So anyone know what kind of deals to expect on the props store during BF->christmas? This is the first holiday season Ive owned reason so didnt know what to expect

Probably an RE or two on sale everyday from December to January.

[Lunesis]

No KVR thread is complete without conspiracy theories, doomsday scenarios, and armchair experts. Oh, and snarky comments from idiots like me.

Is it possible to have all four in one post?