Yet another plugin that I won't buy because it needs iLok...

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Kriminal]

[Kriminal]

Double post

[Compyfox]

How on earth are crysonics even getting away with such a copy.. Tc invented the radar audio meter no? And they call it radar loudness meter and crysonics call it radameter? Wtf? Maybe tc don't know about it, I'm going to point it their way so crysonics can get a nasty cease and desist.

I don't know about any licenses or copy protection about the "Radar" concept - so I can't comment on that.

What I do know, and this is what people wouldn't believe me and rather pointed out that I had a "vendetta" going on, is that the Radameter is not according to ITU-R BS.1770 specs. I even contacted Crysonic about this, and they were "we are on specs" - even though I could clearly show them what was not.



Again - if you (as future user) are against CP schemes like iLok or Codemeter, your only real alternatives are Nugen Audio (License file possible) or ToneBoosters (reg file in the folder of the plugin).


I could mention Waves (which also has an EBU R-128 meter), but it's not really comfortable IMO. Steinberg's own EBU R-128 meter is locked to Cubendo. Also, the AXIS Plugins' revival of the old Inspector XL (now called Inspektor) is Elicenser bound, and annual payment.


Everything else I know is Standalone (Pinguin Audio, PAS-Products, RME DigiCheck).

[IncarnateX]

Hi guys
Sorry I haven't contributed to this thread yet but I am currently working on a list of all those plug-ins I will not buy because of dongles. I keep finding new ones but hope to be able to present them all to you soon.

Keep it going and be nice to each other

[BertKoor]

[sqigls]

i won't buy plugins that require a computer in order to work. f**k that.
Only analog plugins for me.

[Delfinoverde]

http://businessofsoftware.org/2007/11/protecting-your/

"Much copy protection is based on a fundamentally flawed assumption. Obviously, the point of copy protection is to stop people copying your software. Obvious, but wrong. The point of copy protection is to maximize the amount of money that you, the vendor, make from your software.

"Here's another story. Say you're selling software at $500 a seat. Alice downloads a free trial of your software. She tries it, it's not for her. She doesn't buy. You've made no money.

Bob also downloads your software. He tries your software, and likes it. Your only copy protection is a nag screen encouraging people to buy. Hitting the 'remind me later' button is easier than opening his wallet, so Bob doesn't buy either. You've made no money.

Charles downloads your software. He tries it, and likes it. His trial expires. He could try to get round the copy protection system, or search for a warez site, but he's an honest man so he gets out his credit card and buys. You've made $500.

David downloads your software. He tries it, and likes it. His trial expires. David is a student. He thinks that charging for software is evil. No way will he pay $500 for it. He spends a couple of hours cracking your software and gets it for free. You've made no money.

Out of the four people who tried out your software, there are only two interesting cases. Alice and David are never going to buy: Alice, because she doesn't want the software, and David because he wants it but will never pay for it. You want to make Bob behave like Charles. All you need to do is to make it easier to buy than not to buy. There is no point in worrying about the Davids of this world. And David might even grow up one day, get a job, and actually buy a copy.

You might not even need copy protection. If Alice is your typical user then you need to fix your software. If you're just starting out then your biggest problem isn't people not paying for your software. It's that they don't want to buy it. Either your software doesn't fit people's needs or you're not able to tell enough people about it. Don't spend time and money on copy protection: spend it on product development and marketing instead.

In real life, users are on a continuum. At one end lie those who are honest to a fault: people who've actually paid for a WinZip licence. On the other are those who will crack software they don't even want, just to prove a point. Most of us lie somewhere in the middle. The point of your copy protection system should be to encourage us, the honest but imperfect and lazy users, to buy without pissing us off."

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[antithesist]

What TheoM say. This thing is pretty f-wordin' great!

(could not resist)

- currently radaring Jon Hassell:

"Last Night The Moon Came Dropping Its Clothes In The Street"

[Compyfox]

I do have the waves, i quite like it. It's in mercury. The TC for $49 is just too tempting because i read what it does and it is perfect for someone wanting to get the right levels for just stereo files. So ilok it is then. I't snot worth missing out on this one.

Agreed!

And even if it's the stereo version only, it's highly customizable. So at this price, a total steal.


And, TC's programmers were among the people that created the EBU R-128/ITU-R BS.1770 standard in the first place. So... can't get any more spot on.

[goldenanalog]

And so it happened, young ones, that the iLok thread ended without excessive profanity or cat pictures. Quietly, peacefully....

I'm sure that you don't believe me, but I was there, witness to the whole thing.

I slept well that night, my faith in the essential goodness of humanity partially restored. Perhaps we can all get along after all.

[glokraw]

But on what universe is it bad for a company to take steps to safeguard their products?
rsp

In what universe is it good for a company to ask you to pay extra to safeguard their products ?

I do believe we pay the extra, whether asked or not.
All copy protection, and also predicted losses due to piracy,
are factored in to the setting of the price we pay.

One good example of a 'useful dongle', is a Mustang usb guitar amp.
The amp, without the bundled Fuse software to edit the sounds,
would not be very competitive in the market. And the software
without the amp, would be useless.

Does a Virus TI keyboard achieve dongle status, just because
there is software available to control it?

But these are 'value added' dongles, quite different
than just a usbstick dongle , that is seen as a nuisance,
if not a deal-breaker.

Perhaps developers could add value to the dongles,
including extra sounds, some number of free upgrades,
or some bonus downloads. The user sees the cost/value ratio,
the developer sees sales trends. The devs financial needs,
and market analysis, will dictate how to protect their investment.
Cheers

[glokraw]

Urs has been pretty open about the fact that he gets a good number of product sales each month from folks who were using pirated versions of his products that stopped working due to his timebomb code

Which hints strongly, that they are pros, and greedy enough
to steal from those who build their tools. Hobbyist thieves
would just pirate competing products.

You can bet they'll keep all stolen goods that lack timebombs.
I hope Urs makes his list available to other devs,
for a modest donation.


(I just wish the timebomb would record and upload
the moments when the pirates bomb goes off!)

[Woody Aki]

No worries - Toneboosters it is!

WOW!
I'm surprised that my post didn't get buried in the mass of iLok hate.

Glad to be of help.

It seems that you underestimate yourself within this forum, Compyfox. A fair few purchases from my side were helped in no small part by your opinions, and I was never disappointed. Take a bow!