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Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 2:32 pm

Wow! Am I ever glad I signed on. Live is a beautiful app that keeps getting better. The new features make look like a real contenter as the best cross-platform host.

Best,
Gordon

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:08 pm

Wow, I am blown away with the new Live 4 annouincement. I have tried Live, in the past, and although it had many innovative features, it never really caught on with me and was not a replacement for my ACID Pro 4. But, after drooling over the very well laid out "Live 4" visual tour, I may just have to forgo the upgrade to ACID 5 (whenever that will be, it has gotten to the point where I really don't care anymore), and use my limited funds, jump ship, and crossgrade to Live 4., once and for all! I mean, lets face it, ACID 4 has not been updated in two years and counting, during that time, Live has gone from 1.0 to now 4.0. Three significant upgrades past ACID 4. It just seems that the Abletion crew is working thier butts off to implement the features their user base is asking for in a timely manner. I like their new slogan for Live 4, "Announcing Live 4. The worlds first real-time music production suite is now complete." From what I have seen so far, with Live 4, I am tending to agree. With multitracking, audio & MIDI, softsynths, looping, Rewire host and slave, groovebox tools, real-time effects, editing, basically everthing that ACID users have been waiting years for. What I really like is that everthing can be done in real-time, with no gapping, while your in the creative flow. In testing Live 3, I don't get any of that "native CPU munching" that plagues both ACID & Vegas, when using my UAD-1 DSP plugins. It also has full automatic delay compensation, with no gapping. I am sure Live 4 will work just as well. Another thing I like, is Ableton will be releasing a free beta of Live 4, in the next few weeks, (something the old Sonic Foundry used to do), so even current non-Live users can check out the possibilities. So unless ACID 5 can step up to the plate, with a wicked update that blows me away, before the end of July (Live 4's release date), which I seriously doubt at this point, I'll be selling my A4 license, on ebay, and joining the ranks of the Live 4 generation.

Billy Buck

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:33 pm

from a related thread in the tracktion forum ...

valley wrote:Tracktion's main advantage is still price. If T2 fixes everything that is currently not quite finished in T1, adds hardware controller support, and incorporates a decent commercial time stretch algorithm then the budget Cubasis market sequencers are in a lot of trouble. If Live does the damage higher up in the market that it's starting to sound like it might do, then there are going ot be some worried sequencer companies out there.

this is the REAL killer point of the whole debate i think ...

... im real excited about live4 since it may well make my recent purchase of fl-studio a little redundant (and id already moved away from tracktion to some extent) ...

... but if you see T2 and L4 (you sunk my battleship !!! ) along with maybe podium and energyXT as the next wave of sequencers (clean slates - new ways of working - streamlined workflow - etc) then the big established names at all current levels of the host / sequencer market MUST be getting pretty fidgety about now id have thought ...

... if live4s pattern sequencers for MIDI work as well as live3s audio capabilities then even the soft studio devs (fl / orion / P5 / even reason / etc) might be feeling their palms starting to sweat too (although they will obviously still have a price edge - anyone fancy a slimmed down cheaper version of live4 though ??? )

this is going to be a MIGHTY interesting few months ...

slainte

rob

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:37 pm

No way will propellerheads ever add vsti suppo...

...oh

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:40 pm

Props really don't need to add VST support now. The way that Reason integrates SO well with Live, it's almost like they're one application already.

All the Props have to do is support multiple stereo outputs for Rewire and they'd be all set. Oh, and allow rewire audio to travel both ways, so you could feed some Live loops into Scream or the Vocoder or something, just for fun.

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:45 pm

gmstudio wrote:Props really don't need to add VST support now. The way that Reason integrates SO well with Live, it's almost like they're one application already.

All the Props have to do is support multiple stereo outputs for Rewire and they'd be all set. Oh, and allow rewire audio to travel both ways, so you could feed some Live loops into Scream or the Vocoder or something, just for fun.

Under which circumstances Reason becomes nothing more than a rather expensive set of non-standard plug-ins.

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:48 pm

nuffink wrote: Under which circumstances Reason becomes nothing more than a rather expensive set of non-standard plug-ins.

With really cool routing and automation capabilities.

donkey tugger · Post by **donkey tugger** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:50 pm

What are these 'drool cups'?

Is it an American thing?

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:51 pm

gmstudio wrote: With really cool routing and automation capabilities.

Agreed. But is that enough?

christianmusicmaker · Post by **christianmusicmaker** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 4:55 pm

nuffink wrote:
gmstudio wrote:Props really don't need to add VST support now. The way that Reason integrates SO well with Live, it's almost like they're one application already.

All the Props have to do is support multiple stereo outputs for Rewire and they'd be all set. Oh, and allow rewire audio to travel both ways, so you could feed some Live loops into Scream or the Vocoder or something, just for fun.
Under which circumstances Reason becomes nothing more than a rather expensive set of non-standard plug-ins.

Well said, I think Propellerhead surely see this as well.

gmstudio · Post by **gmstudio** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:00 pm

nuffink wrote:
gmstudio wrote: With really cool routing and automation capabilities.
Agreed. But is that enough?

I guess we'll have to wait and see. Ableton's shown their hand with L4, Reason 3 must surely be in development, so we'll have to see what the Props lay on the table with its release.

That said, though, I do think the Propellerheads and the Ableton guys view each other as partners rather than as competitors. I think whatever the Propellerheads come up with will make a nice compliment to Live.

svartling · Post by **svartling** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:10 pm

This is exactly how a modern DAW should look like

A sequencer for the future.

pHz · Post by **pHz** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:11 pm

svartling wrote:This is exactly how a modern DAW should look like
A sequencer for the future.

well thats just not good enough ...

... i want one NOW !!!

slainte

rob

Sicklecell666 · Post by **Sicklecell666** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:13 pm

gmstudio wrote:
nuffink wrote:
gmstudio wrote: With really cool routing and automation capabilities.
Agreed. But is that enough?
I guess we'll have to wait and see. Ableton's shown their hand with L4, Reason 3 must surely be in development, so we'll have to see what the Props lay on the table with its release.

That said, though, I do think the Propellerheads and the Ableton guys view each other as partners rather than as competitors. I think whatever the Propellerheads come up with will make a nice compliment to Live.

That's why I think we're only seeing half of the bomb shell. Those two applications are so well intergrated that Props HAVE to have something crazy new to match Ableton's end of the duo. And given the release of Live4, it doesn't do Props a whole lotta good to wait much longer to release Reason3, so I have a feeling we're gonna see v3 REAL soon. I'm psyched. I have a lot of respect for the Big Guns, but I always bet on the underdogs, we're looking at tommorrow's leaders here..

As far as the Live4 beta, they did that as well with Live3, pretty cool way to get ppl aquainted I'd say. This compant wants your business, period.

eviltez · Post by **eviltez** » Fri Jun 04, 2004 5:46 pm

This is an extinction level event for tradidtional sequencers as far as Im concerned. The only sequencer Im going to keep around is EnergyXT. Sonar 3 Producer wont be upgraded. Neither will my version of Trakton. Im even doubting I'll upgrade Reason although I will continue to use it.

I hope channel mutes are automatible because they are one of the frey things that arnt for some reason.

Get drool cups ready for... Live 4