So the Propellerhead's forum is down. Post in here if you normally post there.

[valhallasound]

It was public info.. not just random people at KVR.. There were links with precise figures as well. if you need proof, feel free to do a search:)

Can you maybe link to that? Wondering why a company would do that, unless it is stock exchange listed...

It was discussed right here at KVR with a link and i asked the question myself how they knew and they provided info. But TBH i couldn't be bothered searching for it for you, no disrespect intended, I would have to find it myself just as you would, so if you really want to find it i suggest doing a kvr search. Cheers.

http://www.solidinfo.se/foretag/propell ... 43/ekonomi

[Tronam]

Cool. Let's go through all this again.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[cwig]

Sales of propellereheads (i have no IDEA whether this includes RE or not) were bad this financial year.

No, turnover was actually up 6%. But the earnings were much worse due to higher costs.

[chk071]

It was public info.. not just random people at KVR.. There were links with precise figures as well. if you need proof, feel free to do a search:)

Can you maybe link to that? Wondering why a company would do that, unless it is stock exchange listed...

It was discussed right here at KVR with a link and i asked the question myself how they knew and they provided info. But TBH i couldn't be bothered searching for it for you, no disrespect intended, I would have to find it myself just as you would, so if you really want to find it i suggest doing a kvr search. Cheers.

http://www.solidinfo.se/foretag/propell ... 43/ekonomi

Thanks.

[Tronam]

Am I reading right that although sales were up from the previous year, operating costs skyrocketed? I wonder if their 30% increase in employee head count is partially responsible, especially if they're engineering/developer positions. Seems like a risky move nowadays, but hopefully part of a longterm growth strategy that'll pay off later.

[OzWozEre]

It was public info.. not just random people at KVR.. There were links with precise figures as well. if you need proof, feel free to do a search:)

Can you maybe link to that? Wondering why a company would do that, unless it is stock exchange listed...

It was discussed right here at KVR with a link and i asked the question myself how they knew and they provided info. But TBH i couldn't be bothered searching for it for you, no disrespect intended, I would have to find it myself just as you would, so if you really want to find it i suggest doing a kvr search. Cheers.

http://www.solidinfo.se/foretag/propell ... 43/ekonomi

So, we're now judging music software by it's company's balance sheet and not by the product itself?

Must be a first for KVR

FWIW If you look to the bottom part you'll see that they've been adding staff -- probably expensive developers and designers -- which nicely correlates to that big red operating loss you see at the top.

Call it R&D, which is a positive thing and shows that a company is forward looking and seeking growth...

... which you can also see from the fact that they seem to be releasing a top-quality RE every quarter.

(Which again is good for us)

Here's a translated version since we're all accountants now and no longer musicians:

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... %2Fekonomi

[stroker_ace]

So wait, bad sales for one dev equals bad sales for all? Are you people serious? Sure he is a respected dev but respect alone does not guarantee lots of sales. A lot devs are still making REs why continue if it was so bad?

Reversing that logic, why isn't everybody making rack extensions if they're so profitable?!?

There are many, many, many more developers who AREN'T developing rack extensions then those that are.

So by your own definition it's a failure.

And we're not sure who is continuing to develop rack extensions; it's mostly new, small developers putting out cheap cv utilities these days.

Most of the biggest and best developers seem to be winding down or have actually stopped:

nothing from Sonic Charge or Synapse this year

nothing from Rob Papen since May

Korg tweeted big things for Reason in 2013, but have only delivered a port of MonoPoly so far, minus the effects

iZotope released the maximizer at the rack extension launch back in Q2 of 2012 and nothing since then. G-Force released Re-Tron in July of 2012 and nothing since then. I guess they're just too busy counting all the cash from their first rack extensions to bother putting out more.

U-he is down to their last throw, and even if they do continue with rack extensions, instruments are "a complete no go" for them.

Since we're not privy to numbers, actions, or a lack thereof, are all we have to go on.

That and the actual words of an actual rack extension developer, of course.

But all is not lost: Softube continues to release rack extensions.

But Propellerheads' #1 priority with rack extensions was always to create a system to be able to charge its user base per device, instead of bundling 3 of them together as a Reason update.

And in that way rack extensions are a glowing success.

They're getting more for their latest rack extension than they used to get for a Reason update that would usually include 3 new devices as well as some workflow enhancements.

No, not as many people will buy Parsec as upgrade their version of Reason, but it's basically constant cash flow, instead of a lump sum every year or two.

[C+C+]

I think the RE's are all new so it's hard to judge ,

the ones done by real Devs are way cool and got good critics but the shop is FULL of gadjet ones that dont really bring much atraction for logic reasons .

For me Reason 7 is AMAZING , the RE's (Amazing) but now I think we need a something in the box for version 8


they give now radical piano and keys in the R7 full box as a promo gift because it's very logic that RE's or new instruments modules or rack fx are a super attractive plus and fallowing this logic I would expect a new (something) added to R8 but now I Wonder what could they bring 1) some free RE (like audiomatic)or will they add unic features that would only be in the new upgrade or full version of R8 .

what do you guys think the future versions will be like ?

[Tronam]

A lot of people seem to forget just how slowly new instruments were actually introduced to the Reason rack prior to RE and versions 3 and 6 didn't include any instruments at all:

2002 Reason 2.0: Malstrom & NNXT
2007 Reason 4.0: Thor
2010 Reason 5.0: Kong and an updated Dr. Rex

That's a long time and I have a hard time believing there are many current heavy users of Reason who would truly want to go back to that kind of development pace, especially nowadays.

[krucial]

So wait, bad sales for one dev equals bad sales for all? Are you people serious? Sure he is a respected dev but respect alone does not guarantee lots of sales. A lot devs are still making REs why continue if it was so bad?

Reversing that logic, why isn't everybody making rack extensions if they're so profitable?!?

SDK limitations, working on other projects, updating VSTs? Are you serious?

Are you expecting devs to be releasing quality REs every few months? What planet are are you on?

Read and comprehend carefully next time before you reply.

By the way since you mentioned Rob Papen.

Heads up on a completely new Rack Extension coming soon from Rob Papen. This device will be exclusive to Reason.


"Inside Reason, BLUE is not possible yet. Since we can't have switching panels or this XY pad. But we release also a new RE in a couple of weeks. Something that can launch your woofers trough a studio room."


Stay tuned for more details.

Source:https://www.facebook.com/reasonistas

[kae]

But will it be turned around now then? 2-3 new PH rack extensions per year and an update to Reason itself every 3 years. I REALLY hope we will get PDC before 2015-16.
I think maybe the limitations of the SDK is a bigger hurdle than the number of sales. It's just too limiting at the moment. I could get by with what Reason has to offer already (for now), but if RE is going to be a platform 3rd party developers will support the SDK has to be updated faster than every 2-3 years.

[MachineClaw]

I love Reason 7 but have bought no REs. too much investment for something that is specific to one DAW.

I own Reason 7, Ableton Live 8/9, Sonar X3 Pro, Pro Tool 10/11.

My investment in VST plugins which all included RTAS and some even AAX for Pro Tools prevents me from investing in a plugin (REs) that can only be used in Reason 7.

Developers have posted in the Props forum that RE development is time consuming and doesn't fit in with their production.

some developers have even stated that the REs SDK is an issue for them.

With Pro Tools 11 changing plugin format to AAX on developers probably has taken quite a lot of focus to bringing current plugins to 64bit and a new format.

Steinberg dropping support for VST 2 and focusing on VST3 only support many developers are trying to bring their VST2 plugins into VST3 compliance.

maybe, I have no inside scoop or anything.

For me all that means I just watch what Props develop for REs and the Props have been pretty slow in developing their own REs.

If I buy a plugin then I want/need it to work as best if can in all my DAW applications. 1 investment, many uses.

(If I see another RE compressor or analogue synth I will scream, no really I will watch hahaha).

[IncarnateX]

http://www.solidinfo.se/foretag/propell ... 43/ekonomi

Could you lead me to the line where this says anything about the sales of REs?

[C+C+]

A lot of people seem to forget just how slowly new instruments were actually introduced to the Reason rack prior to RE and versions 3 and 6 didn't include any instruments at all:

2002 Reason 2.0: Malstrom & NNXT
2007 Reason 4.0: Thor
2010 Reason 5.0: Kong and an updated Dr. Rex

That's a long time and I have a hard time believing there are many current heavy users of Reason who would truly want to go back to that kind of development pace, especially nowadays.

Yep , way back peoples would have Reason as a extra add and it was better then a plug-in , now Reason is a full daw and the plug-ins are in it to use so no need to wait .

but to get a upgrade to a new version next time I think a lot will whant that .

I am saying this but I really have no idear maybe they can work Reason more everytime and keep it like that