Cubase 7.5 official announcement!

[fmr]

You can install S1 and it's licence on any system faster than even installing just eLicenser, let alone the full Cubase, so all that is really moot.

C 7.5 looks great. I'm really happy for Cubase users.

Well, I must say there is something stupid in Studio One authorization method. If you install both 32-bit and 64-bit versions, you have to authorize twice, spending two authorization counts. I don't know any other DAW that demands two different authorizations for 32-bit and 64-bit versions.

[LawrenceF]

Well, I must say there is something stupid in Studio One authorization method. If you install both 32-bit and 64-bit versions, you have to authorize twice, spending two authorization counts. I don't know any other DAW that demands two different authorizations for 32-bit and 64-bit versions.

Utter nonsense. I have both installed on my Win 8 laptop - after - asking for a refresh of my activations because I had used all 5 and now I have only burned - one - activation, with 4 more left.

Wtf is wrong with KVR? This thread is about Cubase 7.5, not S1, and the bashing of S1 is not only totally off topic, it's completely wrong.

My god.

[chk071]

Honestly, it seems pretty obvious to mention this fact directly with the announcement. The cynic in me has a pretty good idea why it isn't mentioned upfront, but I will keep my thoughts to myself on that one.

Why would that be? The .5 update brings a lot of functions, while the maintainance updates will most likely only bring bug fixes, and maybe performance improvements. I think you're seeing something in this which it isn't.

[lotus2035]

While you're all at it....

Reaper!

[killmaster]

Do all the 7.5 updates apply to Artist and the full version? It doesn't specify on the "What's new in Cubase 7.5" page. I'm an Artist user.

Also wondering why the Chord Assistant is split out from the Chord Tracks in the Artists version. Seems like they should always be together.... ? But I guess that's another topic.

Guillermo, do all the 7.5 updates apply to Artist as well as the full version? That's the way the what's new page makes it sound... important information for Artist users I think... thanks.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[LawrenceF]

No need to apologize man.

It's just baffling to me why negativity has to emerge on every single product release. Cubase 7.5 added what looks to me to be some really nice new features that users have been requesting for years, that should be the focus, not another contest against everything else.

Cubase owners should be rejoicing. Look at the new editing in the scoring page. That looks - really great - for people who write using notation.

Anyway, I can still love what I prefer without having to hate on Cubase. Looks to me like Steinberg is finally coming around, finally adding much more "useful" stuff to the product.

The Nuendo post guys are gonna want those playlists like... yesterday. Holy cow, if Nuendo adds discreet automation to those playlists, it will be pretty cool indeed.

If I wasn't really happy with what I have I'd be giving Cubase another long look.

[Compyfox]

@ sockofgold: Even the official Steinberg representative here posted it in this thread.

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That is correct, even after the release of Cubase 6.5 we released a Cubase 6.0.7 update with bug fixes.
So, customers who decided to stay with Cubase 6.0.6 will also benefit from the bug fixes included on the 6.5 update.
And after Cubase 7 was released we also updated Cubase 6.5.4 to Cubase 6.5.5

Best regards,
GN

Read closely here:
Cubase 6 was already at 6.06 until 6.5 came out. So the 6.0x users only got one(!) maintenance update. Every other bug that was not fixed by then, was only fixed in .5.x!

Cubase 6.5 on the other hand got five(!) maintenance updates, including the one that came out a couple of weeks post C7.

"We kept providing maintenance updates" rarely cuts it. I'd love to see a .1.x and .2.x for a change again. Why can other host developers do this, and Steinberg can't?

Why is such an "update" adjusted to be .5?

"People were asking for it for a long time" - then don't skim us of our money and implement it for free, or with the next major version, but don't be all secretive in return.

Less hate by the users, more pleased customers. Yes, it is that(!) simple.




Also, it's good to see that I am not the only one with critism towards the paid updates, the timing, the price raise and what you actually get.

Assuming that I won't get C7.5 (I'm highly on the edge after all this BS, so I don't know at this point!) and rather wait for C8, I still have to pay 250EUR. So no matter if I follow along, or pay at a later state the extra 50 EUR - I won't save anything. And I'd rather not go for grace periods with "downloads only" - I want to get the box (another non clear price model IMO - C7 needed the core installer, so where was the save in online distribution if the download server was hammered twice as much?)


If I'd get C7.5, I'm only (and I do emphasize on that):

...Early Adopting...
Might as well call it Cubase 8 paid public beta now, and be done with it.



Since Mister GN still ignores my posts, I think I will file another complaint towards his management (I'm also still awaiting an official apology towards the warez accusations - you can't pull such a stunt as rep!).

The questions were legit:
Where is the Bug Report list - that being one. And now that the cat is out of the bag - what about the promised Insert Handling improvement or the ASIO core? Oh sorry, there is no issue with the ASIO core. My bad. Or when is the demo version due?

If that's the only way to communicate with Steinberg these days - so be it.

Anyway, I can still love what I prefer without having to hate on Cubase. Laughing Looks to me like Steinberg is finally coming around, finally adding much more "useful" stuff to the product.

Sorry, but not really (IMO!!!).

Stuff like saving QC should have been there since the implementation of this feature a couple of years back. The Instrument Track was forced upon us (with several warnings to drop(!) the Instrument Rack eventually(!). Yet it was always cripled. These are two features that should have been there right at the beginning, and now it's presented as "the" main reason to pay 50 EUR. On top of the non-needed VSTi updates in this particular version.

As a sidenote: the VST SDK also got updated to v3.6, and Steinberg's marketing department mentioned several times by now, that "someday Cubase will stop loading VST2 Plugins" - this should be another warning incidation. Look at what Apple did with 32bit. Yet, VST3 is still full of issues itself.


Scoring only got updated because the former Sibelius team was hired (Presonus did a similar move!). And this is an appetizer for a new product (read the Blog over at Steinberg!).

The rest... Loopmash - who needs that really (be honest!), who is using Halion Sonic SE up and down rather than Halion or Kontakt? Heck even POISE clearly takes the cake over Groove Agent One (sans the loop slicing, I have to admit that).

At least we did not get some Sequel plugins this time around that are being sold as "must haves". But then again, PADShop and Retrologue were actually more worth with C6.5. If you couldn't wait until C7.



Steinberg should finally learn to release a C.5 "lite" version, without the VST/VSTi - only the plain host improvements (and therefore only ask for 15 EUR, but then ask for a full major-2-major upgrade fee), while the others pay 30EUR (for example) but then don't have to spend 200EUR to upgrade from minor.5 to major.0. Then this would be fair IMO.

The price politics are unclear and not fair in the slightest. Yet nobody cares. And that blows my mind.

Actually, my good old buddy "Mister Joker" sums it up best:






@TheoM:
Word of advice - save yourself the trouble to update. Wait 7 months and C8 will be out. But as mentioned by yourself, and as pointed out again by me above: we won't save one dime.




@to those that answered my LE/AI/Essentials Update question:
Thanks, but I'd like to know about backwards compatibility as well. Since HSSE is a huge part of AI/LE/Essentials, Steinberg needs to do something about it. Also, AI/LE/Essentials is heavily reliant on the Instrument Track as well.




@to everyone else
The warning signs are up. If you jump on it and say "it's cool what Steinberg does - best company ever". Have fun.




To me, the .5 update is an offense not only to those users that have had issues since day 1. Longtime users are clearly taken for a ride - and not the good kind.

I'll wait for the first reports next week, and at least a demo - at minimum. I don't trust the so called "testers" anymore. Especially not if they have blinders on.

[chk071]

Read closely here:
Cubase 6 was already at 6.06 until 6.5 came out. So the 6.0x users only got one(!) maintenance update. Every other bug that was not fixed by then, was only fixed in .5.x!

Err... what's your point? Reaper 4 got gazilions of updates and it still contains bugs. Software is never bug free. It's a question whether these bugs make working with the product possible or not. Elements 6.07 is as stable as hell. In fact, i don't think i crashed it one time. With the 6.5 update, Steinberg even brought factors into play, new functions, new plugins, which could potentially bring more bugs into play. Really, i think you're fighting a battle here, which makes it impossible for you to think straight.

[LawrenceF]

Your optimism is highly contagious.

[SODDI]

So, the package you sold me in July was incomplete and broken right out of the box - and now you want to charge me to fix it?

That's about what I expect from Steinberg - incompetent programmers and crooks.

[chk071]

Troll-a-licious.

[ZINO]

To me, the .5 update is an offense not only to those users that have had issues since day 1. Longtime users are clearly taken for a ride - and not the good kind.

There are some things worth saying even if you are flerting with a ban. A constant value these days is:

f**k off Steinberg (again)

[Compyfox]

Err... what's your point?

To burst your bubble of wrong thinking.

Reaper 4 got gazilions of updates and it still contains bugs. Software is never bug free.

This was not the point that either you or standalone was making all over the host section. Especially as answers to my posts (who is trolling in this case?).

Your point was, that the bugfixes actually "fixed" things without paying anything extra. And I pointed out, several times by now, that this is not the case for Steinberg hosts!

It's a question whether these bugs make working with the product possible or not.

There, you just said it yourself.

Elements 6.07 is as stable as hell. In fact, i don't think i crashed it one time. With the 6.5 update, Steinberg even brought factors into play, new functions, new plugins, which could potentially bring more bugs into play.

Again, I don't point out Cubase 6's stability - which is still great up until this day. I highly critisize the current revision (Cubase 7) and the thinking by a lot of people - yourself included - that insist(!) that C7.06 get's at least 2-3 further free updates that will fix bugs and issues that a load of users are reporting.

And the reality is: that won't be the case, unless you pay money!


As prime example with the ASIO issues again: Let's assume they will be fixed within the C7 cycle - they won't be fixed for 7.0x since 7.5 is out. And as soon as a new paid version is out and the elder ones have no massive showstoppers (again - Steinberg still officially denies the existence of the ASIO issues), earlier version are dropped.

Or to write it in a language that everyone might understand:
"New Paid version - you're sh*t out of luck!".

It was like that since Steinberg is existing.

Really, i think you're fighting a battle here, which makes it impossible for you to think straight.

I think you are not thinking straight, especially if you constantly try pull the worst in me. Not this time around, chk071.

To me, the .5 update is an offense not only to those users that have had issues since day 1. Longtime users are clearly taken for a ride - and not the good kind.

There are some things worth saying even if you are flerting with a ban. A constant value these days is:

f**k off Steinberg (again)

It's good that I wrote it in a friendly manner.
Let's see who is getting the boot this time.

Troll-a-licious.

Look who's talking.

[chk071]

Again, I don't point out Cubase 6's stability - which is still great up until this day. I highly critisize the current revision (Cubase 7) and the thinking by a lot of people - yourself included - that insist(!) that C7.06 get's at least 2-3 further free updates that will fix bugs and issues that a load of users are reporting.

Read closely here:
Cubase was already at 6.06 until 6.5 came out. So the 6.0x users only got one(!) maintenance update. Every other bug that was not fixed by then, was only fixed in .5.x!

Cubase 6.5 on the other hand got five(!) maintenance updates, including the one that came out a couple of weeks post C7.

Looked to me as if you were talking about V6...

Anyway, pointless to answer on any of the points you make anyway. You are obsessed, face it.