Not trying to be a fanboy here, cubase has been my main daw for a very long time (since atari's 1.0 version), but i have used other daws for different projects, and cubase 7.0.6 is as "ready to use" as any other can be.
It has flaws and strong points like any other software, but nothing that stops me working.
I just finished a 5 tracks ep with 4 kontakt instances, 1 trilian, 1 omnisphere, 15-20 "normal" audio tracks, serveral busses and the usual inserts and aux effects, including vcc and vtm in every single track, and the stability has been amazing, not a single crash, not a single problem, and asio-guard lowered the cpu usage a lot.
If its really that bad it shouldnt work for me or anyone else.
I saw the "hiding pluging" behind the mixer is fixed, but the track visibility, alternate versins and vsti rack renaming feature makes me want to upgrade...the rest of plugins are useless for me, but those 3 things will make my life a lot easier (for my personal workflow of course)
Cheers.
Cubase 7.5 official announcement!
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- KVRer
- 15 posts since 17 Nov, 2013
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
Yeah, it really wasn't horrible. My biggest issue with it was it not showing inserts and sends across the mixer at the same time... and not docking, and mixer channels not moving. I think they might have over-reacted to the criticism. Having said that, the new mixer seems to be more technically functional... but still didn't hit 2 of my top 3 gripes.lotus2035 wrote:Ahh, so pretty!
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- KVRAF
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
If the MixConsole from C7 would take back at least some parts from the old C6 console, that'd be great. Mainly the button placement for editing and turning that insert on/off rather than having an overlay (which was not adressed - just saw this in videos, neither the vertical log while dragging the fader bank). Then this might drastically improve things IMO.
Speaking of watching videos.
I wanted to get to know some more about the new Instrument Track 2.0. Fortunately, I found some good video explanations, unfortunately nothing regarding the look and handling of old instrument rack.
Aside from the official Steinberg videos, I found these two:
To my understanding from these videos (and here, Beta Testers could answer this):
The new "Instrument Track" is a dumbed down version of the Instrument Rack instance and MIDI tracks. Really basic stuff, so far so good.
I agree, with the new Instrument Track handling in C7.5, which drastically improves things, it's dead simple to use. And we also have access to even more quick controls directly in the "rack" (which is half rack, half instrument tracks).
The thing that is worrying me though is the rack itself.
I think the warning (years ago) that the "rack" might be dropped eventually could turn into a reality real soon. Because the Instrument Track is now massively enhanced and actually more intuitive. Which is also similar to how instruments are loaded in Logic.
Just from the videos alone, I ask myself "do I really need the Rack Instance and MIDI channel combo anymore, if the Instrument Track can do the same and then some?"
By that I mean the Quick Controls. Obviously the main difference between the Instrument Track and the plain Rack Instance, will be the Quick Controls (currently). Else - both rack types can now have individual outputs (and unlimited at that as well - depending on the VSTi), and both the instrument track and instrument rack instance can be accessed with several MIDI tracks. So the plain rack instance might stay for a while for plain backwards compatibility issues - and then ultimately dropped. Which is now pretty much apparent.
Unless, and this is what wasn't shown so far, there is a reason to keep both other than compatibility. Something that only the rack can do and the "instrument track" instance can't? We don't know yet.
And I stand corrected on Loopmash being updated. Apparently it also got an own FX version now, which is to my tastes a bit too limited. But whoever needs some quick glitch FX, and doesn't have one already - it's cool to have one.
Somebody knows who was actually behind the REVelation code? Cubase getting a complementary algo reverb to REVerence (IR) sounds interesting. But with the reverb galore in the last half year alone, does it stand a chance to the usual suspects?
Plain new feature wise, the Track Versions feature could be indeed a lifesaver! If that works in combination with the custom arrangement track - it's a killer feature for remixing. And it actually covers my "multi chord track channels" FR, though only partially (it's "either/or", and not "and" in parallel).
Track visibilty and re-record - don't know. I'm fine with how I worked so far (tracks I didn't need -> moved into a folder and put on MUTE). But this is obviously another wink towards Logic users. IIRC, you can also remove channels from visibilty there. Something that always confused the hell out of me.
Still... I'd love to see even more enhancements for that price. And the most asked and higest ranged FR's are still not ported (insert handling being one!). At least according to these official videos.
And I still saw massive ASIO spikes in the presentation videos as well (take note of the red LED indication in the ASIO meter).
So the update is tempting, but I'm still on the edge.
I feel like C6.5 all over again if I ignore the VST/VSTi. Though not as drastic.
Speaking of watching videos.
I wanted to get to know some more about the new Instrument Track 2.0. Fortunately, I found some good video explanations, unfortunately nothing regarding the look and handling of old instrument rack.
Aside from the official Steinberg videos, I found these two:
To my understanding from these videos (and here, Beta Testers could answer this):
The new "Instrument Track" is a dumbed down version of the Instrument Rack instance and MIDI tracks. Really basic stuff, so far so good.
I agree, with the new Instrument Track handling in C7.5, which drastically improves things, it's dead simple to use. And we also have access to even more quick controls directly in the "rack" (which is half rack, half instrument tracks).
The thing that is worrying me though is the rack itself.
I think the warning (years ago) that the "rack" might be dropped eventually could turn into a reality real soon. Because the Instrument Track is now massively enhanced and actually more intuitive. Which is also similar to how instruments are loaded in Logic.
Just from the videos alone, I ask myself "do I really need the Rack Instance and MIDI channel combo anymore, if the Instrument Track can do the same and then some?"
By that I mean the Quick Controls. Obviously the main difference between the Instrument Track and the plain Rack Instance, will be the Quick Controls (currently). Else - both rack types can now have individual outputs (and unlimited at that as well - depending on the VSTi), and both the instrument track and instrument rack instance can be accessed with several MIDI tracks. So the plain rack instance might stay for a while for plain backwards compatibility issues - and then ultimately dropped. Which is now pretty much apparent.
Unless, and this is what wasn't shown so far, there is a reason to keep both other than compatibility. Something that only the rack can do and the "instrument track" instance can't? We don't know yet.
And I stand corrected on Loopmash being updated. Apparently it also got an own FX version now, which is to my tastes a bit too limited. But whoever needs some quick glitch FX, and doesn't have one already - it's cool to have one.
Somebody knows who was actually behind the REVelation code? Cubase getting a complementary algo reverb to REVerence (IR) sounds interesting. But with the reverb galore in the last half year alone, does it stand a chance to the usual suspects?
Plain new feature wise, the Track Versions feature could be indeed a lifesaver! If that works in combination with the custom arrangement track - it's a killer feature for remixing. And it actually covers my "multi chord track channels" FR, though only partially (it's "either/or", and not "and" in parallel).
Track visibilty and re-record - don't know. I'm fine with how I worked so far (tracks I didn't need -> moved into a folder and put on MUTE). But this is obviously another wink towards Logic users. IIRC, you can also remove channels from visibilty there. Something that always confused the hell out of me.
Still... I'd love to see even more enhancements for that price. And the most asked and higest ranged FR's are still not ported (insert handling being one!). At least according to these official videos.
And I still saw massive ASIO spikes in the presentation videos as well (take note of the red LED indication in the ASIO meter).
So the update is tempting, but I'm still on the edge.
I feel like C6.5 all over again if I ignore the VST/VSTi. Though not as drastic.
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- KVRAF
- 20765 posts since 22 Nov, 2000 from Southern California
I agree with everything you said!Compyfox wrote:This is where I differentiate actually, Eric.
I actually just signed up for Apple's one-to-one training program. The store salesman claimed that for $99, they'd train me in everything there is to know about Logic. If it goes well, I may make the switch for good.
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- KVRist
- 207 posts since 12 Apr, 2005 from The Netherlands
I watched this video and (apart from the new look of the rack and the quick controls) I see him do nothing new with it which couldn't already be done by the current version.Compyfox wrote: Aside from the official Steinberg videos, I found these two:
He says that it's a new function to be able to load a multitimbral instrument in the rack and add multiple midi tracks and activate multiple outputs of the VSTI. But this has been possible for years already. Or am I missing something?
I never really use the rack anymore and even for things like Kontakt I just add several instrument tracks and use 1 instrument per Kontakt instance.
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- Banned
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 2685 posts since 14 Jul, 2005 from Australia
If I purchase an upgrade to Cubase 7 now (from 6.5), then I will get the 7.5 upgrade to free right? I'm guessing this is a cheaper way into 7.5 for 6.5 users like myself?
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- KVRAF
- 3627 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from UK
Details for 7.5 grace period are here:soundpalace wrote:If I purchase an upgrade to Cubase 7 now (from 6.5), then I will get the 7.5 upgrade to free right? I'm guessing this is a cheaper way into 7.5 for 6.5 users like myself?
http://www.steinberg.net/en/support/gra ... _info.html
I activated the 7 upgrade 2 days ago (was hesitant to install following comments here about it, but wanted upgrade option before price increases came into effect) so, yep, you could upgrade to 7 now and be included in grace period to 7.5.
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- KVRAF
- 6159 posts since 4 Dec, 2004
My understanding of the main improvements there are ...timbesamusca wrote:I watched this video and (apart from the new look of the rack and the quick controls) I see him do nothing new with it which couldn't already be done by the current version.
He says that it's a new function to be able to load a multitimbral instrument in the rack and add multiple midi tracks and activate multiple outputs of the VSTI. But this has been possible for years already. Or am I missing something?
1. Instrument tracks are now multi-output and multi midi channel.
2. You no longer have to keep clicking the same menu over and over to activate multiple outputs. That drove some people nuts. Now that list stays open while you activate how many outputs you want.
3. I think you can rename instruments in the rack now to avoid the 1,2,3, numbering that got confusing when you loaded multiple instances of the same instruments.
Multi output instrument tracks is pretty big for Cubase because the old rack didn't save templates. Now - I would presume - you can save an instrument track preset for anything, even your full drum setup. I say that assuming that the instrument track template now will capture a multioutput setup and the FX for the multiouts.
At least a good portion of 7.5 are things people have been directly asking for, which is good.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
A couple of issues with the video ...Compyfox wrote:
1) He says there is a new synth engine for that trance synth. I'll bet money it is NOT a new engine, but simply a new macro page, just like TRIUM and Voltage.
2) He doesn't show much about preset handling with the rack configuration, or how QCs work in conjunction with the Track QC. In fact there are 3 separate videos on this topic and they all seem to go to great lengths to avoid showing the QC and/or preset handling used in anger. That could just be that these are quicky demos, but it concerns me.
I'd love to see, for example, I have this project with 3 sets of Orchestra instruments setups and 4 drum setups. Look how easy it is to start a new project now .... Unfortunately, it looks like it doesn't do this. It only saves the INs and OUTs with the preset, not all the tracks that go with the setup.
3) That guy says there are 210375981293 sounds in Cubase ... no there aren't. Pretty much like saying there are 1 billion apps in the app store. 99.9% doing nothing but taking up space.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 3627 posts since 5 Jan, 2006 from UK
As someone who has made a very crappy app that isn't selling, I take deep offence at that.SJ_Digriz wrote:Pretty much like saying there are 1 billion apps in the app store. 99.9% doing nothing but taking up space.
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- KVRAF
- 14739 posts since 19 Oct, 2003 from Berlin, Germany
I agree with most of your points.SJ_Digriz wrote:A couple of issues with the video ...
Even though the videos are in general way better(!) than presentation videos before. There are a lot of open questions remaining.
I also agree with the critism to use the argument "Cubase now has a gazillion presets" as main driving force to sell this thing. Looks to me like Logic 7, where a load of content sneaked in and was advertised as "you get 30+GB content on top of our host".
Again, those people that have a decent set of VST/VSTi/Samples already don't even use the bundled stuff. It's a whole different thing for starters and crossgraders from SEQUEL however - but we're not talking about AI/LE/Elements in this case.
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
fandango wrote:As someone who has made a very crappy app that isn't selling, I take deep offence at that.SJ_Digriz wrote:Pretty much like saying there are 1 billion apps in the app store. 99.9% doing nothing but taking up space.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 6097 posts since 5 Jul, 2001 from Just about .... there
The other interesting part was the .. "now that we are partnered with Yamaha, we have access to unrivaled app developers" ..
That is funny, because Yamaha was starting to get their ass kicked towards the end of the DSP keyboard age because they couldn't keep up with the smaller more agile development houses that were leveraging newer tech.
That is playing itself out in spades in the VST world as they continue to come out with very average plugins 2 to 5 years after multiple companies have released innovative and vastly superior versions of any given Borg plugin.
That is funny, because Yamaha was starting to get their ass kicked towards the end of the DSP keyboard age because they couldn't keep up with the smaller more agile development houses that were leveraging newer tech.
That is playing itself out in spades in the VST world as they continue to come out with very average plugins 2 to 5 years after multiple companies have released innovative and vastly superior versions of any given Borg plugin.
If you have to ask, you can't afford the answer
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- KVRAF
- 11162 posts since 16 Mar, 2003 from Porto - Portugal
Can you elaborate on this? If I upgrade now from 6.5 to 7, how much do I save compared to buy the upgrade after the launching of Cubase 7.5?fandango wrote:Details for 7.5 grace period are here:soundpalace wrote:If I purchase an upgrade to Cubase 7 now (from 6.5), then I will get the 7.5 upgrade to free right? I'm guessing this is a cheaper way into 7.5 for 6.5 users like myself?
http://www.steinberg.net/en/support/gra ... _info.html
I activated the 7 upgrade 2 days ago (was hesitant to install following comments here about it, but wanted upgrade option before price increases came into effect) so, yep, you could upgrade to 7 now and be included in grace period to 7.5.
Fernando (FMR)