Hammond with motorized drawbars - does it exist?

[lfm]

See that SK2 model have only one set of drawbars - and you switch if they work for upper/lower/pedal manual.

Is it implied that drawbars will take the right positions according to a preset and the selected manual?

Or leds beside drawbar to show which position current preset use?

Or is the usuall manual movement to whatever number a display sets?


Are there Hammond or clonewheel organ that have motorized drawbars?

I think I've seen that Nord has leds showing the position - which is almost equally good. But drawbars were also a touchstrip or something - not physical drawbar.

Thanks.

[BertKoor]

From the SK1/SK2 Owners Manual, page 43:

When recalling a patch, the drawbars' "positions" will change internally, but not physically. However, if you move a drawbar, the setting will "snap" to that drawbars current position.

Page 66 describes the drawbar positions of upper, pedal and lower manuals of the current patch are displayed in PLAY mode.

I hope that helps...

[lfm]

It helps - thank you.

I just talked to Clavia in Stockholm on the phone as well, and they have some models that do like SK-series Hammond and some with leds, but then it's only step up/down on each.

Leds is excellent I think, but one would want them beside physical faders, or having a touchstrip of some kind to slide with finger.

[rockstar_not]

It helps - thank you.

I just talked to Clavia in Stockholm on the phone as well, and they have some models that do like SK-series Hammond and some with leds, but then it's only step up/down on each.

Leds is excellent I think, but one would want them beside physical faders, or having a touchstrip of some kind to slide with finger.

Maybe you could map them to a Behringer BCF2000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BCF2000/

[lfm]

Maybe you could map them to a Behringer BCF2000 http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/BCF2000/

I'll check it out, thanks.

One would want 9 drawbars, but that could be a larger model in that case.
Would be really smooth while in process making presets to have all positioned like a preset.

[electro]

Any decent drawbar + waterfall manual will end up costing you thousands. Better off sticking a Korg Nanokontrol on your existing controller, unless you have deep pockets.

[rockstar_not]

Any decent drawbar + waterfall manual will end up costing you thousands. Better off sticking a Korg Nanokontrol on your existing controller, unless you have deep pockets.

Well, he was asking for motorized faders that will position themselves based on the preset. Not possible with nanokontrol.

The Behringer BCF2000 is only a couple hundred dollars new.

VB3 VSTi is less than 100 dollars and sound absolutely amazing. Good enough that it's the synthesis engine behind the Crumar Mojo - and if you haven't heard that, you owe it to yourself to check out their demos. Yes that combination costs thousands, but you can get the same sound from the VB3.

-Scott

[electro]

Any decent drawbar + waterfall manual will end up costing you thousands. Better off sticking a Korg Nanokontrol on your existing controller, unless you have deep pockets.

Well, he was asking for motorized faders that will position themselves based on the preset. Not possible with nanokontrol.

The Behringer BCF2000 is only a couple hundred dollars new.

Hammond has 9 drawbars, and BCF200 is an 8 fader controller.

[rockstar_not]

Any decent drawbar + waterfall manual will end up costing you thousands. Better off sticking a Korg Nanokontrol on your existing controller, unless you have deep pockets.

Well, he was asking for motorized faders that will position themselves based on the preset. Not possible with nanokontrol.

The Behringer BCF2000 is only a couple hundred dollars new.

Hammond has 9 drawbars, and BCF200 is an 8 fader controller.

Yes, I knew that.

-Scott

[rockstar_not]

The big issue is motorized faders that respond to MIDI patch changes and drawbar position. My Casio XW-P1 has a fader bank built in, but each time you move a fader in the drawbar organ simulation, it registers first at fader's existing position (not motorized)and that can cause jumpy response.

There's an Ocean Beach drawbar organ controller with more proper looking controllers, but again, they are not motorized. Nord users are loving it because it is real sliders, and perhaps the nanokontrol offers the same type of control, since you would simply be controlling drawbars mechanically only.

http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... Mgod1iYABw

If one absolutely had to have the motorized thing, I would sacrifice one drawbar for the price with the BCF2000.

[lfm]

Thanks guys.

I heard only good about VB3. But it does not fulfil that onebutton push and sit down and play a bit, I really like that.

Got a Korg CX-3 right now - and there was this ad for a SK2 very cheap - I thought I'll check it out if it maybe was implied that drawbars are motorized on the real Hammonds. But found they aren't.

Talking to this guy at Clavia he said it need not only work - it need to be sturdy to be on tour for years without causing problems.

A touchstrip, punched holes for leds - that would be perfect. Just let your finger slide to move it. But they had nothing coming.

[Jim Y]

It's a personal thing I think.
I find that if you have to share one set of drawbars across the whole instrument, then Nords in/out buttons plus LED's are the best solution.
Even if you have separate drawbars for each manual, if the sound isn't always exactly as per the physical drawbars, then it's annoying, because then you have to move all of them to sync them up with the internal setting. Nord at least have a "Live" preset mode that it is always in synch with the control panel even if you switch the instrument on & off.
Personally, I find Presets pointless on an Organ, so an "always in the sync with controls" instrument with no shared controls would be the ideal - so no need for motorized drawbars - just separte ones would solve the problem.

[waltercruz]

If I recall correctly, even Hammond itself won't change the drawbars positions when exchanging presets don't?

[lfm]

If I recall correctly, even Hammond itself won't change the drawbars positions when exchanging presets don't?

I think that is true - maybe, unless a $30,000 B3.

I think the old tonewheel organs with black preset keys were mechanical kind of, moving the drawbars to the position with something that might be similar to early radioreceivers with station presets.

An old friend of mine have a real B3, digital one of later date - don't know how it works there.

EDIT: got confirmation from swedish hammond.

XK3C , XK33C have drawbars that are adjusted to position with black preset keys.
Also M44
New B3,all models.

Oh, dear, XK-3C is getting hotter and hotter....tube amp and all.

EDIT: This turned out to be all wrong info from Hammond sweden. XK3C does not provide motorized drawbars. I read manual and confronted them.

[lfm]

It's a personal thing I think.
I find that if you have to share one set of drawbars across the whole instrument, then Nords in/out buttons plus LED's are the best solution.
Even if you have separate drawbars for each manual, if the sound isn't always exactly as per the physical drawbars, then it's annoying, because then you have to move all of them to sync them up with the internal setting. Nord at least have a "Live" preset mode that it is always in synch with the control panel even if you switch the instrument on & off.
Personally, I find Presets pointless on an Organ, so an "always in the sync with controls" instrument with no shared controls would be the ideal - so no need for motorized drawbars - just separte ones would solve the problem.

The Nord Electro 2 and 3 has these leds, but 4 seem to get physical faders again. Not good in my view - but they know their market, I'm guess.

Would you know the Nords - if you can set the pause and frequency repeat of the buttons to adjust a drawbar?

I mean the same settings that you can do for keyboard repeats on computer - how long before it starts repeating, and how fast.

If it's pressure sensitive, even better - harder press, shorter pause, faster repeat.

I looked in manual, but found nothing regarding this.

My case is only home recording - nothing else. So I will keep presets for each song as sysex - to go back and always get the same sound.

Another thing that is unclear for the Nords are if the drawbar presets themselves are stored with a program?

Like if you select a drawbar preset, and modify it without saving as drawbar preset - but save as program - would that save actual db position or current preset only?