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DKeenum wrote:I uae echo's midi mia and am very happy with it. :)
Looks interesting... link

Do you have some comparison information? Did you compare it with other cards?

Anyway, I need to find a shop in the Netherlands which sells this stuff, in that case I can compare the prices with other cards.

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MelodyMan wrote:
Durk wrote:Thanks for you contribution MelodyMan!

You seem to live in the Netherlands, don't you? If so, do you have any idea where to get those ESI cards in the Netherlands?
You can get them at Feedback Rotterdam and i'm sure all other stores from them in the Netherlands too. On the internet: www.feedback.nl

Good luck!
Thanks, but I found that one already... :) Anyway they don't seem to sell the "ESI Juli" yet...

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Durk wrote:
MelodyMan wrote:
Durk wrote:Thanks for you contribution MelodyMan!

You seem to live in the Netherlands, don't you? If so, do you have any idea where to get those ESI cards in the Netherlands?
You can get them at Feedback Rotterdam and i'm sure all other stores from them in the Netherlands too. On the internet: www.feedback.nl

Good luck!
Thanks, but I found that one already... :) Anyway they don't seem to sell the "ESI Juli" yet...
Ik neem aan dat je een Nederlander bent, dus ik antwoord je in het Nederlands....

Jawel hoor. Kijk op de startpagina en selecteer de fabrikant ESI. Alle ESI-produkten zullen verschijnen en één van hen is de Juli.
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MelodyMan wrote:
Durk wrote:
MelodyMan wrote:
Durk wrote:Thanks for you contribution MelodyMan!

You seem to live in the Netherlands, don't you? If so, do you have any idea where to get those ESI cards in the Netherlands?
You can get them at Feedback Rotterdam and i'm sure all other stores from them in the Netherlands too. On the internet: www.feedback.nl

Good luck!
Thanks, but I found that one already... :) Anyway they don't seem to sell the "ESI Juli" yet...
Ik neem aan dat je een Nederlander bent, dus ik antwoord je in het Nederlands....

Jawel hoor. Kijk op de startpagina en selecteer de fabrikant ESI. Alle ESI-produkten zullen verschijnen en één van hen is de Juli.
No I don't understand a f*cking thing out of it! :x :shock: :-o Well... just kidding! :hihi:

Anyway... I followed a different way on that site, actually a lot more difficult way.. Thanks for you help!

PS: ik hou het in het Engels, dan kunnen de anderen ook meegenieten! :P

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hi
I currently use creative and m-audio cards, the creative ones i've used over the years always seem to have glitches, for instance the awe32 which I might add at the time cost a lot of money for its day but had a major glitch in that it would not if you were using a duron processor play wave files.. creative were less than honest or forthcoming despite loads of calls to try and resolve the problem but eventually an article in one of the more popular mags told all. Secondly my latest creative card has a few real irritating glitches and questionable ethical registration procedure, you can't register your card without providing some real confidential information and including for instance date of birth - i found that unbelievable with all the issues on identity theft etc that they could be so irresponsible, I don't care what they say about confidentiality we all know systems can be hacked, lastly on using xp I had to download a complete new set of creative drivers and I mean a full 10Mb plus for the card to work properly, and I can assure you previously on Win98 there were enumerous occasions when the sound system 'hung.. froze the system etc,
M-Audio nice card cool sound and very little probs other than my card doesn't have a midi interface, which is taken care of by my uno usb cable unit, drivers easy to install and registration straightforward, choosing again - I'd go for the m-audio and that includes the freebie software included.
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musicman21st wrote:hi
I currently use creative and m-audio cards, the creative ones i've used over the years always seem to have glitches, for instance the awe32 which I might add at the time cost a lot of money for its day but had a major glitch in that it would not if you were using a duron processor play wave files.. creative were less than honest or forthcoming despite loads of calls to try and resolve the problem but eventually an article in one of the more popular mags told all. Secondly my latest creative card has a few real irritating glitches and questionable ethical registration procedure, you can't register your card without providing some real confidential information and including for instance date of birth - i found that unbelievable with all the issues on identity theft etc that they could be so irresponsible, I don't care what they say about confidentiality we all know systems can be hacked, lastly on using xp I had to download a complete new set of creative drivers and I mean a full 10Mb plus for the card to work properly, and I can assure you previously on Win98 there were enumerous occasions when the sound system 'hung.. froze the system etc,
M-Audio nice card cool sound and very little probs other than my card doesn't have a midi interface, which is taken care of by my uno usb cable unit, drivers easy to install and registration straightforward, choosing again - I'd go for the m-audio and that includes the freebie software included.
Thanks for sharing your experiences! :)

Talking about that M-Audio card of yours, what kind of M-Audio card is that? I would like to have a midi interface though..

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Anybody with good ideas? Comments on my list or comments on other's proposals?

Anyway, thanks for the replies so far!

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Durk wrote:Anybody with good ideas? Comments on my list or comments on other's proposals?
Concentrate on driver stability and sufficient I/O for your needs.
D/A quality affects only your monitor send and not your final mix (assuming you're mixing to HDD). If you're worried about that final nth of monitor sound quality (and be realistic as to whether your speakers warrant it) get an outboard D/A.
The D/A and A/D converters in even a cheap card would have been the envy of a top flight studio not so long ago.

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nuffink wrote:
Durk wrote:Anybody with good ideas? Comments on my list or comments on other's proposals?
Concentrate on driver stability and sufficient I/O for your needs.
Yep, that's important. Anyway, I don't have any idea about the stability of drivers of the listed and mentioned cards...

About the I/O... It's pretty easy, I need at least:
- one analog input
- one analog output
- one MIDI-in
- one MIDI-out

All extra inputs and outputs are nice-to-haves. For instance, a microphone input would be nice (pre-amp), more analog outputs would be nice, and of course digital in- and outputs. Break-out boxes are nice, but not necessary. As I don't have a lot of money to spend, I would say, the bare minimum is okay with me.
nuffink wrote:D/A quality affects only your monitor send and not your final mix (assuming you're mixing to HDD).
Recording will be fully digital to hard drive, so there's no chance that A/D and D/A converters will ruin my mix.
nuffink wrote:If you're worried about that final nth of monitor sound quality (and be realistic as to whether your speakers warrant it) get an outboard D/A.
My current monitor setup wouldn't justify out-board A/D and D/A converters. I've just a Sony amplifier and a pair of passive Spirit Absolute II monitors. So that's not top notch.. ;)
nuffink wrote:The D/A and A/D converters in even a cheap card would have been the envy of a top flight studio not so long ago.
The complemented list of contenders is as follows:

- Terratec SoundSystem Aureon 7.1 Space - €81.00 - link
- Terratec SoundSystem Aureon 7.1 Universe - €168.00 - link
- Terratec SoundSystem DMX 6FIRE 24/96 - €168.00 - link
- Terratec PHASE 22 - €154.00 - link
- Terratec PHASE 28 - €255.00 - link
- M-Audio Audiophile 2496 - €199.00 - link
- E-MU 1212M - €199.00 - link
- ESI Juli@ - €149.00 - link
- Echo MiaMIDI - €275.00 (maybe a tad too expensive, but maybe I can get it for €179.00) - link
- more to come? :D

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Although the MIA is very good I believe the Emu has the edge over it - thats the one Im going to get when I go to NY in 2 weeks (yes!). The EMUs gettin rave reviews. As someone else pointed out check out the SOS review in this months mag.

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Durk: One word, Creamware. I got myself Scope system and it has totally blown my mind. I recommend it dearly. And yes, it is pricy, but as soon as you get it installed to your computer, you forget about all the the money you ''wasted'' on it

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LostBoy wrote:Durk: One word, Creamware. I got myself Scope system and it has totally blown my mind. I recommend it dearly. And yes, it is pricy, but as soon as you get it installed to your computer, you forget about all the the money you ''wasted'' on it
I can imagine that it's very cool indeed... But I just don't want to spend too much money, I need to keep some reserves... ;) Anyway, I'm not really favouring half hardware/software solution (refering to the DSP chip stuff), so I will not use it...

Anyway, thanks for the input!

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This makes me leaning more towards the E-MU 1212M...

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Durk, you can find the Audiophile 2496 for as low as 149 or so USD (not sure about Euro, but anyway), although I can't find any place that's selling the 1212M, oddly enough. I'm in the same boat as you: I have an SBLive!, and I just want low latency for my VST's and MIDI input :P.

As far as I know, USB MIDI should be have just as low or lower latency than conventional MIDI ports. Am I correct in this?

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Rellik wrote:Durk, you can find the Audiophile 2496 for as low as 149 or so USD (not sure about Euro, but anyway)
Hmm I couldn't find it lower priced than 199 euro... :( Anyway, I just have problems to find a lot of shops selling the card, but there might be cheaper ones out there. But the DMX 6Fire 24/96 is going in price... It's only 139 euro at moment!
Rellik wrote:, although I can't find any place that's selling the 1212M, oddly enough.
I only found two shops the Netherlands selling the 1212M for 199 euro. Strangely enough there's a lot more shops selling the 1820! Maybe I should order it in the US, 199 dollar is 165 euro...
Rellik wrote:I'm in the same boat as you: I have an SBLive!, and I just want low latency for my VST's and MIDI input :P.
Great! ;) I just want higher quality.. I'm already using the kX drivers for lower latency...
Rellik wrote:As far as I know, USB MIDI should be have just as low or lower latency than conventional MIDI ports. Am I correct in this?
Yeah, I think it doesn't really matter.

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