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kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:12 pm

I absolutely love Reason. I love the RE concept. I guess there are some things that I would like to see improved in Reason, i.e. give me a smart tool, let clips snap to relative and absolute values, give me more key commands; I dislike having to click with the mouse everywhere, let me type in values on the mixer, automation should show real values of older devices rather than 0-1000, give me folders, let me import audio while the sequencer is playing back, give me a better browser with drag and drop capabilities, adaptive grid, PDC of course, updated SDK and better resource management of REs, etc.

Personally, I am much faster working in Live, but working in Reason for some odd "reason" is so much more fun for me, maybe because I teach Ableton Live and see it all the time!? I can't really put my finger on it, because there are quite a few things in Reason that makes it slow compared to Live or even Logic, but it's just more fun to use to make music. And it's stable! Logic X unfortunately crashes quite a bit for me and Live has improved in that regard, but still too many crashes. I honestly don't think I've seen Reason crash on me since I've used it.

Keeping up with updates for all your effects and instruments in Reason is the best I've seen since everything is in your account. I remember I had to replace my computer and installed Reason, went into my account did a sync all and was set up within minutes. Then I went to install Live with all my 3rd party plugins and spent the rest of the day on that. I know this is not all that common, but even keeping up to date with your 3rd party software is hard. When Mavericks came out I "had to" go to all of the different sites checking to see if there was an update for the plugins I use. A real pain.

If u-he would stop making REs that would be a huge blow to the RE world I think.

Ken

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:18 pm

EnochLight wrote:This just in: a new screen to Rob Papen's PunchBD coming out shortly:

*Courtesy of TonalAxis!

Nice. Looks really cool. Cant wait to try it

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:20 pm

kenporter wrote:If u-he would stop making REs that would be a huge blow to the RE world I think.

Ken

Honestly, if U-He stopped.. it would be sad, but not the end of the (RE) world IMHO. Once SDK 2.0 (and 3.0, etc) appears, adding more features and allowing RE's to incorporate more things that we take for granted in VST-land, I'd wager that many devs who once developed RE's and stopped (or never were aboard to begin with) would start right back up again if they saw a market for their product.

Well, unless you're Sean at Vahalla - in which case hell would have to freeze over first.

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:21 pm

EnochLight wrote:This just in: a new screen to Rob Papen's PunchBD coming out shortly:
*Courtesy of TonalAxis!

Whoa. That's quite a bit more comprehensive than I was expecting from the previous teaser snippet.

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:22 pm

kenporter wrote:
If u-he would stop making REs that would be a huge blow to the RE world I think.

Ken

I don't see it that way. Reason was chugging along fine without them. At the end of the day somebody else will fill the void. They are devs doing very interesting things right now so I am not worried about this at all. I do use the Ubiks by the way and if it wasn't for RE I wouldn't have touch their stuff. Not that they are not excellent, its just that I don't use any other DAW. Biggest blow is all devs stopping supporting it all together.

zeebot · Post by **zeebot** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:24 pm

Hmm, personally I'd be somewhat disappointed if it was a RE just to make a kick drum.
We already have the excellent kong for that.

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:26 pm

zeebot wrote:Hmm, personally I'd be a somewhat disappointed if it was a RE just to make a kick drum.
We already have the excellent kong for that.

True and Thor. But I am hoping there is more to it than meets the eye.

kenporter · Post by **kenporter** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:31 pm

krucial wrote:
kenporter wrote:
If u-he would stop making REs that would be a huge blow to the RE world I think.

Ken
I don't see it that way. Reason was chugging along fine without them. At the end of the day somebody else will fill the void. They are devs doing very interesting things right now so I am not worried about this at all. I do use the Ubiks by the way. Biggest blow is all devs stopping supporting it all together.

Yeah, I didn't mean it to come across as it would kill the RE development. Not at all. What I meant to say, and I didn't do a very good job at it, was that personally I love u-he stuff. I would love for him to do more REs like Zebra, Diva or something similar. I know he said that playing one note on Diva as a RE would blow up your computer, but I guess we all assume that the SDK will get better; of course it has to be.

I meant it would be a huge blow to the RE world simply because I really like u-he products. Same with Softube, Synapse or Rob Papen for example. If they would stop, well personally that would suck too. That's what I meant to say.

Imho there are only a handful of new developers that make interesting REs...

Ken

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:32 pm

zeebot wrote:Hmm, personally I'd be somewhat disappointed if it was a RE just to make a kick drum.
We already have the excellent kong for that.

krucial wrote:True and Thor. But I am hoping there is more to it than meets the eye.

There's much more than meets the eye.

It's a specifically designed drum synth module, meant for producers. The sounds that it does would be difficult to achieve in Kong (there is a lot of original sample content in Punch). It's a drum synth/rompler at heart.

That said, you can expect Rob's legendary patch library to be an exponential source of inspiration.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:44 pm

krucial wrote:I love every direction Propellerhead have taken and Rack Extention is one of them. I love them and I love the idea. I own quite a few of them including Polysix and AutoArp. I will definately buy a lot more if needed. I dont care about them not being tranferable as I dont sell software as that seems like throwing money into a black hole. I simply buy what I need learn them inside out and make music with them. I have some REs that eat up more cpu than others kinda like how it is in the vst world. The props own plugin are very cpu efficient see Parsec for example.

Rob Papen addressed the huge cpu usage. I am thankful they did that.

I think Props know that rack entensions are an absolute success. Majority of Reason users are very happy we have access to all kinds of tools now in the rack. No more waiting for 3 years to get some new instruments or FX. I respect them for their vision and their take it or leave it approach.

They may one day make REs tranferable. If developers were smart they would be happy to learn a new skill such as 3D modeling. It will make things easeir for them in the future. This benefits them and their customers in the end. A lot of Res are samey or garbade. A lot of vst are samey or garbage. A lot of socks are samey or garbage. The vst3 sdk sucks just ask chris randall and a few more devs who wont bother with it..

Yeah alot of Reason to love Rack Extensions. The fit the rack, they are stable, the prices are right and they are future proof. Little complaints here and there from a small but vocal minority with an axe to grind. I know res are here to stay. Thank god PH went their own way and gave them to us. Rack Extensions rule. Yep some things can be improved but so is every thing in life nothing is perfect.

well that's one way to make a post. simply reverse engineer what somebody wrote and retort to taste. or you could be your own person.

AstralExistence · Post by **AstralExistence** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:48 pm

SampleSimon wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:
Tronam wrote:So much emotion. You know, Rack Extensions are optional folks. If you don't like them in their current state, then don't buy them and just stick with the Propellerhead devices. All this overdramatic hate/sucks/garbage/failure hyperbole is pointlessly negative. PH spent 5 years developing the RE SDK. It isn't going away and they're releasing all their own devices as REs along with everyone else. It would be silly to assume they're oblivious to the SSE performance issues. I'm sure they know full well and it's in everyone's best interest (including their own) to address these issues as the SDK evolves.
which is pointless to point out because im not just making up facts. rack extensions in there current from are exactly how i described. your free to give the props credit for there 5 year re development period but it does nothing for the awful resale policies policies or sub par technological level that rack extensions current reside in. and when it comes down to it that's what most relevant in the same way that you can give microsoft credit for the time they spent developing windows 8 but in the end people are not really satisfied or happy with it.
I think it's pointless to point out that it's pointless to make up facts.

no there not facts as in what you will find in a comptons encyclopedia but its not too far from the truth either.

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 6:46 pm

AstralExistence wrote:well that's one way to make a post. simply reverse engineer what somebody wrote and retort to taste. or you could be your own person.

Meh.. Behringer does it all of the time.

Jeremy_NSL · Post by **Jeremy_NSL** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:04 pm

Thanks for checking out Hyperdrive! Parsec is incredible for pads... Very nice for leads, FX and plucked sounds too. The only "weakness" seems to be that category that's traditionally hard for additive - Bass. I wouldn't say it's bad, but certainly I find it easier to whip up a punchy bass in Thor or PX7 than Parsec. It's possible in Parsec, just take more effort and creativity from sound designers.

zeebot wrote:Some gorgeous pads in that hyperdrive refill

krucial · Post by **krucial** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 7:43 pm

EnochLight wrote:
AstralExistence wrote:well that's one way to make a post. simply reverse engineer what somebody wrote and retort to taste. or you could be your own person.
Meh.. Behringer does it all of the time.

+11

EnochLight · Post by **EnochLight** » Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:18 pm

Rear screen of Rob Papen's new PunchBD just posted (again, courtesy of TonalAxis):

So the Propellerhead's forum is down. Post in here if you normally post there.