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aharu · Post by **aharu** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:22 pm

As I don't get your obsession of nonstop posting and lol-ing at random catpix (fully retarded behavior, yes), can I start posting pictures of dead cats and roadkill, so I can join in on the "fun"? Pretty please

dramaticforumrat · Post by **dramaticforumrat** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:22 pm

I think Bitwig is everything that Ableton wishes it was.

Bitwig had the luxury of starting Ableton from the ground up and saw what worked and what didn't.

It takes years of development for some plugins... expecting a full fledged daw in a couple of years is a bitwig impatient.

A fine wine takes time, they don't want to release a bug filled version like Ableton rushes out, then patches up. Still working on that PDC?

And throw into the mix... another impatient group of GAS buyers... and it's never too early to release.

People would rather have a stable daw like Reason has proved to be rather then Fruityloops that still hasn't gotten around to 64 bit yet.

I'm not seeing many cat pics for the 'ol free updates for life, but you'll get everything you'll need years later group posting up?

Seems to be a lot of Unableton Envy

Regnas · Post by **Regnas** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 5:38 pm

You lucky beta tester...

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:29 pm

dramaticforumrat wrote:I think Bitwig is everything that Ableton wishes it was.

...apart from released.

paterpeter · Post by **paterpeter** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:00 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
dramaticforumrat wrote:I think Bitwig is everything that Ableton wishes it was.
...apart from released.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:06 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
dramaticforumrat wrote:I think Bitwig is everything that Ableton wishes it was.
...apart from released.

plus having a huge worldwide userbase...

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:22 pm

one thing is for sure... it is pretty difficult to create a Ableton Live killer!!!

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:36 pm

No need to kill anything or anybody.

Ableton Live exists and works. For many people there is absolutely no need for anything else.

BWS will simply provide another option.

Some will like it, some not, some will prefer it over Live, others will not, some will use both.

IMO it's great that this type of DAW finally gets more attention.

Cheers,

Tom

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:36 pm

I'm pretty skeptical of this idea that Bitwig is somehow going to "kill Live". They'll co-exist like all the other hosts out there.

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:44 pm

I have a hard time not seeing it as a vs thing. Bitwig really does seem like ableton as it should be. Minus the missing stuff like multiout vsts, max4live, etc of course. So whats left to hold people to Ableton if they patch that stuff up? Old projects, max4live devices that aren't ported, old users not wanting to learn something new, inertia? I mean why would anyone pick ableton once the holes are filled. And what if the price is considerably lower, which seems possible considering that they are a smaller company. The whole situation doesn't look good for Ableton.

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:47 pm

Because features alone do not dictate host loyalty.

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:51 pm

Why not? I have a hard time believing there is a large amount of people out there that just don't care that there is something else that's better. People who picked live to begin with are for the most part computer savvy and trend aware. And there are new users coming in all the time. There's money too, sure, but if bitwig is priced competitively wont most people be able to switch within a few years or so if they wanted? People will spend to update Ableton anyway so they'll be able to reconsider at that point.

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:57 pm

Ableton is an established global brand with armies of trainers and producers behind it with tons of content. Assuming Ableton doesn't abandon Live and continues developing it along with hardware like Push, I find it highly unlikely that the majority of working producers will ditch it for some extra features. I find it far more likely that they'll wait until Ableton implements them too. It's the hobbyists like so many of us on KVR that hop DAWs all the time.

Echoes in the Attic · Post by **Echoes in the Attic** » Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:05 pm

The smartest thing Bitwig could do would be to have a function to convert back to midi from audio that was bounced in place, as Studio One does. With Bitwig it would make even more sense with their hybrid tracks. Considering all the other technologies and advanced functions in DAWs these days, this one is pretty basic. Bounce to audio in place, and then any movements or cuts to the audio region apply to a hidden underlying midi region as well. Then at any time, it can be converted back. I can believe Studio One is the only one to have done this (that I know of, maybe I'm wrong). I suggested it to Emagic at V6 of Logic.

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