Arturia Microbrute Demo

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Oh, and I wanted to post this Minibrute demo I just finished editing yesterday. This was done a long time ago and did not come out as well as the Micro demo, but it's still a decent one.

I got a lot deeper into the Mini after doing this demo, so this doesn't even take it as far as it could. I plan to do another demo, maybe in a jam format w/ a drum machine and some FX.

I really love this synth.

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But, the sound is miles above the thin oscillators of the Mini. A real MS20 is still not that beefy, either.

So that's why music by Der Dritte Raum, Shpongle, Mr. Oizo, Koxbox etc., where an MS-20 is used abundantly, sounds so thin.

Witty remark, but it doesn't really make sense. All of those guys are known for their processing (at least Shpongle and Oizo with whom I'm more familiar), not using raw analog tones. Play a vintage MS20 next to a Moog (not even a vintage one!). Then come back and let us know what you think!

I did, and a vintage MS-20 is a freaking amazing sounding synth in every way, the amps, envelopes, oscillators, filters. I was really upset that I didn't get it for myself (but I'm fine now with my modular synth with Threeler VCF). Its oscillators are not "thinner" than a Moog's or any other synth's, they're even pretty much identical to my modular oscillators (as can clearly be seen/analyzed as well as heard), it's the filtering and the envelopes that are very different from anything else. Nothing else can sound quite like this (try these with your synths). It's a signature sound that can't be "masked" no matter what delay-based effects you add, and it's a main reason the artists I mentioned as well as countless big names who could have used much more expensive synths (including Moogs) have used it extensively instead, because it suits their musical style perfectly and they couldn't (and neither could I) get the types of patches that are essential for the music from other synths like Microbrute or Sub Phatty (and I've used recent Moogs extensively) which are great in their own ways but don't enable the needed patches with enough quality or at all.

I have an MS20 Mini and had a vintage one. I also have 30U of modular, 10+ other analogs, and plenty of digital synths as well. My job is to play with vintage and brand new synths and make patches for them, sample them, etc. I also do gear demos for customers and Youtube videos for a vintage/new synth store (including the one that this thread was started for). I've extensively played nearly every synth that you could name (and some most people couldn't), besides a few of the completely obscure ones. I'm not saying this to brag, just qualifying my experience and rebuttal.

MS20 is not as beefy as it could be. I didn't say it sounds bad or it sounds thin. I said it's "not that beefy", which is still out of context. I never said anything about a vintage MS20's oscillators either. I said the MS20 *Mini* has thin oscillators, which it does. I have one and I have compared it to multiple vintage ones.

I agree that the filter and envelopes are a gigantic part of a synth's sound, but that's not what I was talking about at all. There is also a sound to the oscillators, no matter what a waveform looks like.

No matter what, the MS20 Mini sounds thin to me. I can't explain it nor do I care to. That's with the filter and VCA wide open. The thing is, I still love it. I like it and the vintage ones for different things.

So, with all that said, I think you just like to argue.

You mentioned MS-20 as well, right after MS-20 Mini and wrote "either", so I assumed that you put it in the same category, can you really blame me? You say you didn't, which makes more sense to me now, and my snarky comment earlier was because of the misunderstanding. You say you can't explain why MS-20 Mini sounds "thin" to you, well I can explain why it sounds "thin" to me, and you can agree or disagree, I don't care either way: Again, it has nothing to do with the oscillators. Its filter cuts off at a too low frequency. It's a very different implementation that causes a "muffled" overall sound, compared to MS-20, Microbrute and many other synths with a filter that cuts off above the audible range. Contrary to myths, yes it can be compensated with proper equalization, with the cost of yet more noise. MS-20 sounds better because it has a relatively flat bandwidth, its amp stage is much better and distorts much more nicely, its envelopes have a better response and nicer shapes, and its oscillators can be modulated at audio rate at a bigger range before things turn into a random mess. It also has much less noise.

I don't like not knowing why something sounds the way it does. I've figured out the specific aural deficiencies, quirks and strengths of many synths. I like sharing my thoughts on this stuff and I've even helped people enough that I got "you were right, thanks for saving me from making a big mistake" responses many times. So no, I'm not here for a purpose as low and pointless as arguing for the sake of arguing. No need to make another personal comment for me.

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anybody tryed to send midi out to it (or the minibrute) from Reason and then returned the sound in reason sequencer ?


I did it once but I have done so much other things since that I ended up forgoting and loosing the video link.

I kind of am lost with the midi out and in and the usb midi ?!?!