Are you interested in a video tutorial series by "Compyfox"?

Anything about MUSIC but doesn't fit into the forums above.

Are you interested in a video tutorial series? In which platform and language? Would you donate?

Vote 1a: Yes, I am interested in a video series
27
17%
Vote 1b: No, I am not interested
14
9%
Vote 1c: Fish! (aka: don't know)
6
4%
Vote 2a: Youtube is my prefered platform
20
12%
Vote 2b: I won't mind if it's available on the creators page only
9
6%
Vote 2c: I'd like to download the videos please
12
7%
Vote 3a: I prefer an english dub
18
11%
Vote 3b: I prefer the native language of the presenter, english subs (soft or hardcoded)
6
4%
Vote 3c: Either way is fine with me, as long as there are subtitles
13
8%
Vote 4a: If there might be a donation drive, I'd like to help support this
12
7%
Vote 4b: I'm usually against donations - but I'll think about it
12
7%
Vote 4c: I refuse to donate - give me the content for free, like everyone else!
14
9%
 
Total votes: 163

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Tricky-Loops wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:Hopefully it won't be as bad as Musotalk which is all about paid (!) advertisement videos for products and rarely has useful how-to videos.
Alternatively the guy could pay the production of his videos, the server costs, and the guys doing tutorials from him out of his own pocket, just for our entertainment. ;) Apart from that, the guy is actually FROM the industry, afaik he used to work for Steinberg and Waldorf. Oh, and the Cubase tutorials from Holger Steinbrink are absolutely top notch btw. No wonder, as he's doing Cubase workshops for a living. And again, the guy is doing those workshops on Musotalk for free, of course advertising for his paid workshop DVD's and his site, and of course that way advertising Cubase. And that's all the magic really. I can't see anything bad in it. I don't rely 100% on a review in Computer Music or Beat mag also, as i know it's a hand in hand of the press and the industry if you want so. Most of the shows on Musotalk are really entertaining and informative imo.
As I've said, there was an advertisement video (called "interview") with a young pretty woman who made music promotion and for their PAID "service" musicians had to write their texts and post everything on her homepage themselves and she would send these infos to radios etc. And I said "If I have to write all my texts, emails and bio etc. myself, then I can SEND the emails myself, too" and wrote a critical comment which was deleted instantly because he didn't wanted to have bad press about this woman.

That's why I broke with Hans-Jörg Bordin alias "Non Eric"... Either something is clearly labeled as advertisement or as interview - but to sell an advertisement as "interview" is fraud.
the big dfference between you or i sending the emails ourselves is, if she is in music promotion and is already known by the radio stations and magazines etc, then her mails are less likely to end up deleted without being read.
although if she sstarts sending off every mail that she is paid to send she may find herself ending up in the delete folder quite quickly. as a promoter she should only be promoting acts she beleives have a chance of doing well in whatever area she is mailing to.
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vurt wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:
chk071 wrote:
Tricky-Loops wrote:Hopefully it won't be as bad as Musotalk which is all about paid (!) advertisement videos for products and rarely has useful how-to videos.
Alternatively the guy could pay the production of his videos, the server costs, and the guys doing tutorials from him out of his own pocket, just for our entertainment. ;) Apart from that, the guy is actually FROM the industry, afaik he used to work for Steinberg and Waldorf. Oh, and the Cubase tutorials from Holger Steinbrink are absolutely top notch btw. No wonder, as he's doing Cubase workshops for a living. And again, the guy is doing those workshops on Musotalk for free, of course advertising for his paid workshop DVD's and his site, and of course that way advertising Cubase. And that's all the magic really. I can't see anything bad in it. I don't rely 100% on a review in Computer Music or Beat mag also, as i know it's a hand in hand of the press and the industry if you want so. Most of the shows on Musotalk are really entertaining and informative imo.
As I've said, there was an advertisement video (called "interview") with a young pretty woman who made music promotion and for their PAID "service" musicians had to write their texts and post everything on her homepage themselves and she would send these infos to radios etc. And I said "If I have to write all my texts, emails and bio etc. myself, then I can SEND the emails myself, too" and wrote a critical comment which was deleted instantly because he didn't wanted to have bad press about this woman.

That's why I broke with Hans-Jörg Bordin alias "Non Eric"... Either something is clearly labeled as advertisement or as interview - but to sell an advertisement as "interview" is fraud.
the big dfference between you or i sending the emails ourselves is, if she is in music promotion and is already known by the radio stations and magazines etc, then her mails are less likely to end up deleted without being read.
although if she sstarts sending off every mail that she is paid to send she may find herself ending up in the delete folder quite quickly. as a promoter she should only be promoting acts she beleives have a chance of doing well in whatever area she is mailing to.
And that's what I've criticized because she didn't have any references of bands which got success because of her, she didn't even have any contacts, she just sent out the emails like everybody else does and they surely ended up in the "delete" or "spam" folder.

Just to be clear, I don't have anything against GOOD music promotion (from people who have good contacts to the music industry) but in this case I had to intervene because it clearly was fraud.

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Just to chime in here and bring this back on topic:

Currently the general opinion is:
  • Go for it
  • Youtube prefered (closely followed by "it's okay to access it on the creators page")
  • Subtitles desired (presented language not important, subtitles need to be understandable)
  • balanced out between "consider donation" and "won't donate"
With a wish to actually download the videos for offline research as well (which can be arranged in either form - plenty of YT download tools available these days).


I think, should I go with my native language, the subtitles will be in English only, and vice versa should I go for English (then the subtitle will be in German). Or do you folks actually prefer both?


Looks like I need to dive again into the FAQs of the data kraken "Google"...
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Compyfox wrote:I think, should I go with my native language, the subtitles will be in English only, and vice versa should I go for English (then the subtitle will be in German). Or do you folks actually prefer both?
As a skilled audio engineer, you're expected to speak in German and English simultaneously... :P

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Sorry, audio channel switching on the fly is not possible on YT yet. :hihi:


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But if it wouldn't be so much extra work, I might consider it for a plain download release.
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Well, cool.
Thoughts-
There are a lot of tuts on YouTube, but there are definitely not a lot of good ones, imo.
It is rare that I hit on a tut that does not have some major flaw that keeps it from being all it could be. Various issues abound, but the point is that there is room at the top. From what Ive seen on KvR, you have knowledge and perspective to approach good subjects thoroughly and really teach people some useful stuff.

I dont know the actual demographics on YT, but I would definitely consider speaking in english. One, because your english writing is basically completely perfect, so I cant imagine your speaking is too bad. Two, 'kids' on YT will be turned off by subs. Three, 'kids' on YT will think your accent is cool and it gives you an automatic air of authority on the subject. :hihi:
Marketing!

That said, I think it is hard to make actual money from dsp tuts. Im sure it is possible, and the market must be growing, but it seems like the quality has to be a given, and then marketing has to be at least a little bit of a focus to make it work. With the view counts Ive seen on some really good free tuts, it would take some leverage somewhere to get steady profits.
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So I take that as a definite yes. Did you also cast a vote?


All accent aside, and I know that certain people like to make fun of that "oh look, a German trying to speak English!". But if you say it the other way around, er... not good Karma. Seen so many "English" speaking people on YT that are actually not natives, and I was like "Okay... where are the subtitles please?"


I can try to create some audio demos of me speaking German and English within the next 48 hours (more recent ones - the last recordings I have are from 2007). Personally I think that speaking English is not that much of a problem, but I feel that I'm still doing it "wrong". In written form, I have way more time to think about, change a sentence and certain phrases. Not so easy with speaking "English" in a fluent way rather than reading form a script.


And, since I dived a bit into voice acting years ago (for research and for freelance writing), I kind of find my voice really strange. Wish I'd speak like 2-3 semi tones lower (which only happens if I'm really sick - but then was positively commented on my "news anchor" voice). So... yeah.

Else, I already made a fool of myself a lot over the course of the last 15 years. Can't get much worse anymore. Especially if I'm also planning to stand "in front" of a camera, rather than behind it. :hihi:
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Voted! :)
Compyfox wrote: In written form, I have way more time to think about, change a sentence and certain phrases. Not so easy with speaking "English" in a fluent way rather than reading form a script.
Ah, I didnt think of that.
Yep, I guess it would make it a little trickier to go 'off script'...
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But more "alive" as well.

Like I said... let me prepare some audio demos the next days. Then I can collect some more feedback. Which this thread is all about: gather some comments and get feedback on a certian idea.

So far, it seems to be positively accepted.
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Compyfox wrote: All accent aside, and I know that certain people like to make fun of that "oh look, a German trying to speak English!". But if you say it the other way around, er... not good Karma. Seen so many "English" speaking people on YT that are actually not natives, and I was like "Okay... where are the subtitles please?"


I can try to create some audio demos of me speaking German and English within the next 48 hours (more recent ones - the last recordings I have are from 2007). Personally I think that speaking English is not that much of a problem, but I feel that I'm still doing it "wrong". In written form, I have way more time to think about, change a sentence and certain phrases. Not so easy with speaking "English" in a fluent way rather than reading form a script.
An English native almost always can hear a "foreign accent", even if you lived 20 or more years in an Anglophone country! :D I wouldn't worry much about it. You may ask yourself WHO you want to reach; talking English you'll reach more people while talking in German the "horizon" is much shorter. On the other hand speaking your native tongue makes you more authentic, not acting like an actor.

Of course the sound of your voice will have an impact on the public out there. There are plenty of super-quality clips on YouTube but with horrible, not fitting voices! If you own a recording studio you eventually could hire a speaker, when you see/feel that your voice isn't apt for tutorials…okay it's more work & effort behind but the right people will notice your professionalism.

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This is why I planned to offer subtitles as well - so that people won't be left out. Which is more work on the long run. But if I'm speaking in my native language (German), it would be a bit more authentic indeed, then again I can reach just as many people.

On the other hand, subtitles can be a pain. So I know both sides of the medal. And I actually ignore subtitles in a documentary with "english parts" - unless we talk about Ozzy Osbourne and Wesley Snipes.


As I said... I will provide some demo recordings the next days. Then we'll see if the sound of my voice "fits" the content.
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I would be happy about a tutorial in German language. I haven't watched a German tutorial for years, since I broke with Musotalk and Delamar... (nevertheless, the Delamar tutorials are quite good and I would recommend them to Germans; I just don't support Carlo's guerilla marketing.)

I read English books, watch English videos & tutorials and think in English, too... :o

Aren't you from Nuremberg, you could try it with "Fränkisch" sub titles... :P

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Sorry - even though I am indeed from Nuremberg (and therefore "Franconian"), I was the rare exception in my family to actually speak "high German", with certain tendencies towards an accent. But nothing less.



Anyway... I dived a bit into the archives of my webserver, and did Indeed find some voice recordings. Also on my backup HDD.

The first one was recorded in 2008, where I try to read (as fluent as possible - both sloppy reading and editing, it was a test recording after all) an article out of local magazine, about an event that had the focus on Japanese Culture:

German, "Newscaster", mp3, ca 1:51min, 1,85MB


The second recording is a rip out of a screencast I created in the middle of the night for a friendly musician in the US, who was interested in how I work. This is an about 2min snipped in english(!) from 2011. Again, very sloppy, no script, tons of mistakes (a bit of "DEnglish" in there, which does sound more authentic - so to speak) and the setup I used didn't utilize any deesser (which can be clearly heard).

English, "Screencast", AAC, ca 2:19min, 2,2MB
English, "Screencast", MP3, ca 2:19min, 2,6MB, transcoded from AAC

This should give you an impression how my voice would sound.
If the recordings don't play out of KVR, please use a media player to your liking. Sorry about that.
Last edited by Compyfox on Mon Jan 20, 2014 11:07 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Can't play .aac natively here but the german sounds fine, with the exception that I can't understand it :)

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AAC can be played with any common media player these days (and I consider it the definite future with HD-AAC).

I could transcode to MP3 - but the quality will suffer. Give me a minute.


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Updated with MP3.
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