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neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:54 pm

Numanoid wrote:
neverenoughfunk wrote:i call it being "strung along"... but there are others who do not agree with that...

what would you call it?
Maybe we could call it a Sample Prank ?

congratulations!!!

you have just coined the new Sampletank 3 "HYPE" phrase... "Sample Prank"!!!!

it actually sounds much more classier than "being strung along"!!! it has turned into a "joke"!!!

24MTS · Post by **24MTS** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 4:59 pm

I'm thinking of getting the Independence...

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:02 pm

i call it "continuously flooding the thread, bordering on bullying". you've made your point, why do you keep posting same shit over and over? even murnau has largely given up, and that's saying something.

yevster · Post by **yevster** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:03 pm

24MTS wrote:I'm thinking of getting the Independence...

Don't. It's fiendishly unstable and missing a lot of essential sound categories.

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:05 pm

mhog wrote:That is because this "Kontakt/Sampletank" comparison is wrong: Sampletank is more like Omnisphere, Nexus2 or Alchemy. I own, among others, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy and Sampletank. I compare Kontakt to Exs24, Halion, Machfife and such. I don't think one can compare Omnisphere to Kontakt. So is for ST. Of course, I think if ST3 had deep sampling features, it would become a new standard with lots of third party libraries. Alas, they want it to be a rompler (or "exclusive sample player"... whatever). What a pity.

I agree that the Kontakt/Sampletank comparison is wrong, but I don't think it really matches up with the others you've listed either. Each of those is a specialty instrument, not a go-to for bread and butter stuff as well.

Someone earlier compared it to HalionSonic, and I think this is probably closer to the mark. With HalionSonic, though, you can upgrade to a full featured sampler (Halion 5) for another Franklin. Sampletank obviously doesn't have that option.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:06 pm

someone must have turned off their "mute" by mistake!!!

again!!!

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:13 pm

neverenoughfunk wrote: i call it being "strung along"... but there are others who do not agree with that...
what would you call it?

I would call it an incompetent marketing strategy.........

Certainly we have the option of ignoring ST3 and this thread so if we're being strung along at this point it's our own fault.

I think I want ST3 but with so little information how can anyone be sure ? Like I've said many times before iK is lucky that after all this time people even care anymore......this latest round of tease isn't helping their cause. The sad part is I don't think iK even has the answers yet...I often wonder who is flying the plane over there...........

But seriously a list of samples and instruments can't be that hard. Obviously what was shown at NAMM was a prototype Release Candidate and not a finished product but you'd think at least the sample content is pretty set in stone by now.........

gamecat666 · Post by **gamecat666** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:22 pm

Numanoid wrote:

I mean if IK did something like that and "hardwarized" SampleTank how far away would that be to having a Tyros in your home?

well it'd need some kind of sequencer. AFAIK ipad ST only has a short 4 part loop to play with. I guess its more aimed at playing live.

I've been looking for a decent rompler/sequencer for ipad and Garageband is pretty much the only alternative. (disclaimer =in ONE single app, without audiosharing or coremidi.)

Chrisma · Post by **Chrisma** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:33 pm

Numanoid wrote:
neverenoughfunk wrote:i call it being "strung along"... but there are others who do not agree with that...

what would you call it?
Maybe we could call it a Sample Prank ?

I like that! ha ha ha..

We've all been SamplePranked!!!

OMG LOL!

Serious though this is a mess. Hopefully IKM will see what that need to do to make things right from a PR standpoint until they are ready to release more info and ST3. They could really have a lot of fun with this if they would just get out in front and instead of treating ST3 like a step-child product. I wonder who is the product manager over at IKM for ST3. Seems like all other products have a clearly defined marketing plan. ST3 seems to just flop around like fish out of water. At least we know its alive.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:37 pm

mhog wrote:That is because this "Kontakt/Sampletank" comparison is wrong: Sampletank is more like Omnisphere, Nexus2 or Alchemy. I own, among others, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy and Sampletank. I compare Kontakt to Exs24, Halion, Machfife and such. I don't think one can compare Omnisphere to Kontakt. So is for ST. Of course, I think if ST3 had deep sampling features, it would become a new standard with lots of third party libraries. Alas, they want it to be a rompler (or "exclusive sample player"... whatever). What a pity.

Omnisphere, Nexus, Alchemy, I consider as synths first with sample import. Oh wait, Omnisphere doesn't do that. It is the truely closed system. But still a sample based synth.

You're trying to put them in categories to bolster your claim and it just doesn't work. Kontakt is SampleTank on steroids. But the layout of ST2 is a little easier to get in a flow of. K5 having the effects on the instrument loaded up has it's benefits and drawbacks. Main drawback for me is that you have to scroll throuch a little window to get to each one. ST2 has a 'list' style that makes it easier albeit not as quick in other ways (mainly due to font size. But I don't find K5 to be that much better fontwise (in the folder trees). K5's mixer is too small, but still easier to deal with than ST2, but the Aria mixer page is better than both. Unfortunately, Aria has its limits in the libraries available, even more so than K5 or ST2.

And lest we forget Dimension, which belongs in this group. ST2 comes out as a better value and more readily available sounds than the rest. Not saying it's the best, as really, given my likes and dislikes of all of them, the best doesn't yet exist regarding the total basic package.

But considering, that if you took advantage of the last sale, you would have gotten 9-64b effects; a 64b Amp sim; and 32b: Sample based player; an Orchestra arranger; and three synth style processors for $85.00, I can't see where you won't get your monies worth. There are sound sets you can't get for K5, even on sale for that.
Oh and I would include Halion, Mach5, Independance in this group of players also.
My personal tastes doesn't care for the Magix Independance though and unfortunately Mach5 and Halion are crippled by dongle for me. Plus they're in a different price point category.

By cost, the only comparison would be between DP and ST2, and there I have to give the edge to ST2
K5; M5; Halion belong in a different range bracket is all. That makes it more like comparing a Toyota with a Lexus.

Still, Omni, Alchemy (and Nexus?) are completely different type of machines.
And I only like one of those.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:40 pm

IIRC Lexus *is* Toyota with an "american" name (kinda like Acura is Honda), no?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:46 pm

If you buy ST2 or better yet TS3 for what it is at the prices they're selling for now and not because you have a desire to support a company theough it's difficult times, you're in a goood position to make the most out of it. There are a few companies still selling their 32b plugins with no possible future into the 64b realm. If you see you have a use for this now and that it will work for you (better check with your DAW on that). Then you can't go wrong buying the product as long as you don't get caught in the hype of the unknown. It's always about what this can do for me now.

Future-proofing is a nice concept, and even has it's place to a degree. But seriously, in the realm of software/hardware/technology, there's no such thing.

cain · Post by **cain** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:47 pm

so no upgrade price yet , namm is over and us being on page 76 +

no upgrade price yet

way to keep them talking about it

sampletank that is

you go I.K. mutimedia

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 5:48 pm

Burillo wrote:IIRC Lexus *is* Toyota with an "american" name (kinda like Acura is Honda), no?

Absolutely, that's why I chose it as the simile.

Burillo · Post by **Burillo** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:03 pm

BBFG# wrote:
Burillo wrote:IIRC Lexus *is* Toyota with an "american" name (kinda like Acura is Honda), no?
Absolutely, that's why I chose it as the simile.

not sure i get the analogy, but who cares

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