KVR Audio

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:26 pm

I can feel the love!

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:50 pm

I am still wondering why IK think they can get away with charging 7.99 euros per expansion pack to redownload an expansion that only cost 15 euros or something like that in the first place. It seems like everything they do is designed to drive customers away.
ST3 player should be free to all current Sampletank owners, and expansion owners.
These companies (and many people on KVR) keep acting as if the world's population has stopped growing, no women are having babies any more, and there are no future customers. In reality, every year I would guess millions of young people take up computer music for the first time, and want to buy VSTs. Why is this so hard to understand?
You get NEW customers by showing how well you treat OLD customers...
Continue charging ridiculous prices for 'download credits' and the like, and you will lose money.
Why isn't there a one hour video demoing a few hundred of the new sounds in ST3? Why haven't they worked out how much an 'upgrade' will cost? Who the hell is running IK? What on earth can they still be working on in ST3? Why isn't there a purchase cost?

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 6:57 pm

BERFAB wrote:
mhog wrote:That is because this "Kontakt/Sampletank" comparison is wrong: Sampletank is more like Omnisphere, Nexus2 or Alchemy. I own, among others, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy and Sampletank. I compare Kontakt to Exs24, Halion, Machfife and such. I don't think one can compare Omnisphere to Kontakt. So is for ST. Of course, I think if ST3 had deep sampling features, it would become a new standard with lots of third party libraries. Alas, they want it to be a rompler (or "exclusive sample player"... whatever). What a pity.

I agree that the Kontakt/Sampletank comparison is wrong, but I don't think it really matches up with the others you've listed either. Each of those is a specialty instrument, not a go-to for bread and butter stuff as well.

Someone earlier compared it to HalionSonic, and I think this is probably closer to the mark. With HalionSonic, though, you can upgrade to a full featured sampler (Halion 5) for another Franklin. Sampletank obviously doesn't have that option.

Yes, HalionSonic is the right comparison. It's only that I did not know it. Now that I have read the specs, I agree. I was referring to synths that I own and/or tried.

mhog · Post by **mhog** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:13 pm

basslinemaster wrote:I am still wondering why IK think they can get away with charging 7.99 euros per expansion pack to redownload an expansion that only cost 15 euros or something like that in the first place. It seems like everything they do is designed to drive customers away.
ST3 player should be free to all current Sampletank owners, and expansion owners.
These companies (and many people on KVR) keep acting as if the world's population has stopped growing, no women are having babies any more, and there are no future customers. In reality, every year I would guess millions of young people take up computer music for the first time, and want to buy VSTs. Why is this so hard to understand?
You get NEW customers by showing how well you treat OLD customers...
Continue charging ridiculous prices for 'download credits' and the like, and you will lose money.
Why isn't there a one hour video demoing a few hundred of the new sounds in ST3? Why haven't they worked out how much an 'upgrade' will cost? Who the hell is running IK? What on earth can they still be working on in ST3? Why isn't there a purchase cost?

15 euros?! I remember the Miroslav expansion was 200€ and the same price for the others. Unless you mean the "crazy" whatever buys?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:20 pm

As I've said, the only real direct comparison to Sampletank 2 in its particular price range is Dimension Pro. Per feature compilation with Total Studio 3 you have to jump into higher price ranges and therefore a different market for what is fundamentally the same type of package. That would be Komplete that includes Kontakt, not Kontakt by itself.

And in the car analogy, what you get in luxury, you lose in gas economy.
Buy it for what it is now and use it now. If you can afford more, then buy that.
I have four, DImensionPro; Aria/Garritan; Total Studio 3; Kontakt5 (Komplete). And I try to use all of them, although Dimension seems to very rarely get opened. Kontakt is great - as I can afford third party sounds, but I really haven't found a single use for its stock sounds. Garritan has specific uses for me and SampleTank has sounds I can really use and sounds that I'll doubt if I'll ever use. And the M5 & H5 will never be considered until the dongle is dropped. The Independence demo left me with a meh...

Like Dimension, I'll use ST2 until I find no use for it.

basslinemaster · Post by **basslinemaster** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:28 pm

mhog wrote: 15 euros?! I remember the Miroslav expansion was 200€ and the same price for the others. Unless you mean the "crazy" whatever buys?

I mean the expansions like 'Symphony Strings 2', 'Vocal Collection', 'World Instruments Collection', they were around 15 euros or something like that, in a group buy a while back, when I bought them.

firepile · Post by **firepile** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 7:33 pm

basslinemaster wrote:In reality, every year I would guess millions of young people take up computer music for the first time, and want to buy VSTs.

They seem to prefer iToys.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 8:54 pm

mhog wrote:That is because this "Kontakt/Sampletank" comparison is wrong: Sampletank is more like Omnisphere, Nexus2 or Alchemy. I own, among others, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy and Sampletank. I compare Kontakt to Exs24, Halion, Machfife and such. I don't think one can compare Omnisphere to Kontakt. So is for ST. Of course, I think if ST3 had deep sampling features, it would become a new standard with lots of third party libraries. Alas, they want it to be a rompler (or "exclusive sample player"... whatever). What a pity.

None of these comparable products have the mix features of ST3. To me, the real charm of ST3 is that you're getting the sound of these instruments as they would sound after being mixed in a studio. There's never before been a rompler that provides this, ST3 is completely unique in this way.

murnau · Post by **murnau** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:26 pm

Uncle E wrote:None of these comparable products have the mix features of ST3. To me, the real charm of ST3 is that you're getting the sound of these instruments as they would sound after being mixed in a studio. There's never before been a rompler that provides this, ST3 is completely unique in this way.

lol

who needs that if you have a daw? but anyway whats with mach5 or bs engine?

BERFAB · Post by **BERFAB** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:29 pm

Uncle E wrote:
mhog wrote:That is because this "Kontakt/Sampletank" comparison is wrong: Sampletank is more like Omnisphere, Nexus2 or Alchemy. I own, among others, Kontakt, Omnisphere, Alchemy and Sampletank. I compare Kontakt to Exs24, Halion, Machfife and such. I don't think one can compare Omnisphere to Kontakt. So is for ST. Of course, I think if ST3 had deep sampling features, it would become a new standard with lots of third party libraries. Alas, they want it to be a rompler (or "exclusive sample player"... whatever). What a pity.
None of these comparable products have the mix features of ST3. To me, the real charm of ST3 is that you're getting the sound of these instruments as they would sound after being mixed in a studio. There's never before been a rompler that provides this, ST3 is completely unique in this way.

Well, I would admit that even ST2 has the effects thing down pat. Currently at 30+ and apparently going to 52 effects with ST3, it is dead simple to drop in effects and really get the most out of them on a per-sound basis. And experimenting with various FX and combinations of them is probably the fastest of any of the cited competitive products.

And, as a bonus, the effects are really, really good. I was always impressed that in addition to a standard reverb effect, IK also included CSR's reverb in version 2.5. They didn't have to, but it really is nice that they did.

neverenoughfunk · Post by **neverenoughfunk** » Mon Jan 27, 2014 9:40 pm

Uncle E wrote:
None of these comparable products have the mix features of ST3. To me, the real charm of ST3 is that you're getting the sound of these instruments as they would sound after being mixed in a studio. There's never before been a rompler that provides this, ST3 is completely unique in this way.

first off... could you explain this "mix feature(s)" of ST3... because it appears, or i must be missing something, the ST3 functions basically in the same fashion as ST2... please explain!!!

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:27 am

murnau wrote:who needs that if you have a daw?

Think of the implications for live use? How about for sharing presets, especially when working with other musicians remotely? If you still don't need the mix features, then perhaps ST3 isn't the product for you, but I do think it's an interesting step for a workstation to take.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 1:36 am

neverenoughfunk wrote:first off... could you explain this "mix feature(s)" of ST3... because it appears, or i must be missing something, the ST3 functions basically in the same fashion as ST2... please explain!!!

A lot (if not all) of T-RackS CS Grand is now built-in to ST3. Mixing within ST3 is like mixing in a DAW, with plugin GUI's and everything.

yevster · Post by **yevster** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:31 am

Uncle E wrote: A lot (if not all) of T-RackS CS Grand is now built-in to ST3. Mixing within ST3 is like mixing in a DAW, with plugin GUI's and everything.

Except T-racks never supported side chaining, so no ducking.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Tue Jan 28, 2014 2:38 am

yevster wrote:Except T-racks never supported side chaining, so no ducking.

Yes, there are lots of things it doesn't have in regards to being a mixing engine. It's not a mixing engine, after all. My point is simply that it's providing something closer to a studio finished product than ever before, which I think could have a lot of benefits.

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