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dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Thu Jan 30, 2014 8:33 pm

Thank you Attila for your prompt response!

I see what you mean about the properties of velocity. You are correct, of course

Thank you for the tip about the velocity generator! I completely forgot about that possibility.

Oh, so many great features. If only enough time to learn this great program

I like your idea for being able to draw velocity like one would with expression. Yes, this is what I was laboriously referencing

Looking forward to the long term then

Best regards,

Happy Musiking!
dsan

yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:25 am

musicdevelopments wrote:
if we can access in any time to the original import,
might be helpful to try with different Mappings easily..

When you import MIDI, you will find "Restore To Absolute Notes" in the menu for each phrase. You can restore them to the original notes any time.

Hi Attila,
i!ll repeat myself just once,
i think "Restore to Absolute Notes" limited to only Project base ?
because when i use phrases from Library,
i never get this option in the phrase menu..
only Convert to Absolute Notes which is
converts current relative form to absolute,
not the original data as you know.
sorry if i missing something obvious in this case.

Warm Regards
Yıldırım.

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yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:22 am

i was going to suggest "Create Part/Line From Selection" in the timeline
but there was "structure split&glue: Split Line|Glue Line" in the Road Map already
i think this will covers well.
so +1 vote for this great feature.

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 7:38 am

Perhaps I'm missing something ... but I wish the Resizing options only affected selected phrase or phrases.

It seems now that resizing is global and if I change the resizing option all the phrases that were previously resized under a different resizing option now snap to conform to the new option setting.

I'd like to be able to resize a phrase with one option and then later resize a different phrase with a different option.

Can this be done? If not, consider it a feature request.

yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:10 am

if someone ask me this before i would say "No you are wrong i bet its working"
but now huh!
just tried 2.56b3 same here
if i am wrong so its not a bug count me +1

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:07 pm

I'm curious, are these ghost phrases or completely different?

I can see where ghost phrases will behave this way and likely should due to their nature.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:34 pm

dsan@mail.com wrote:I'm curious, are these ghost phrases or completely different?

I can see where ghost phrases will behave this way and likely should due to their nature.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Yes, I would agree that if a 'ghost phrase' was unselected, but the original phrase was selected and resized with a different resizing option, the 'ghost phrase' of 'ghost phrases' should follow.

I do have a question as what the behavior should be if a 'ghost phrase' itself is selected instead of the original phrase. How should this work? Would it change all the linked phrases including the original, or only the other ghost phrases or only itself?

I will try to test this more thoroughly, as my impression has been that this occurs with all phrases regardless of type and regardless of whether they are selected when the resizing option is changed.

Certainly, I think most would agree that with the exception of 'ghost phrases,' a currently unselected previously resized phrase should not change its resizing option when the resizing option is changed.

dsan@mail.com · Post by **dsan@mail.com** » Fri Jan 31, 2014 3:55 pm

como baila wrote:..........Certainly, I think most would agree that with the exception of 'ghost phrases,' a currently unselected previously resized phrase should not change its resizing option when the resizing option is changed.

Agreed! Certainly.

No doubt in my mind Attila will be on top of this.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:07 am

dsan@mail.com wrote:
como baila wrote:..........Certainly, I think most would agree that with the exception of 'ghost phrases,' a currently unselected previously resized phrase should not change its resizing option when the resizing option is changed.
Agreed! Certainly.

No doubt in my mind Attila will be on top of this.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

I am not sure he has to do anything.

After looking more carefully this is what I discovered. You cannot change the resize option on a regular phrase or generator phrase that you have already resized once or more unless you render it in between operations.

So, for example, if you enlarge a phrase using the 'repeat' resizing option and then change the option to sustain, as soon as you try to enlarge it again to add the sustain to the last note in the phrase, the prior 'repeat' resizing disappears and the length of the total resizing of the phrase now shows one long sustain with the previously created 'repeat' notes disappearing.

As I say, a solution to this is to render the phrase in between the resizing operations. It would be nice if you could simply change the option and continue to work with the phrase ... but I'm not sure it is that big a deal once you understand how it works.

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:36 am

How about this?

While it is possible to preview a phrase in the phrase inspector of a generator phrase, this only solos the phrase.

I would like to be able to to check a box or activate a button in the phrase inspector so that I could playback the other tracks of the composition and listen in context to the preview phrase in the phrase inspector instead of the phrase in the track in the track.

Some switching operation between the actual phrase and the preview of the regenerated phrase in the phrase inspector permitting playback in context would be great.

What do others think?

como baila · Post by **como baila** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 5:52 am

I find some difficulty in identifying positions in the tracks when placing a phrase. For example, if I want to place a phrase in track 6 exactly on bar 9 with the time line zoomed out to show 64 bars ... it is very difficult to see clearly enough to position the phrase precisely.

I would like to see either thicker/ darker vertical lines marking bars or a color gradation between bar vertical lines and beat vertical lines in the tracks. Ideally there would should be some shading variation ... probably minor and alternating ... every time there is a chord change in the master track.

I also sometimes find it hard to identify the chord note positions unless I am zoomed way in. I would like to either have more contrast between the root, 3rd and 5th ... or even a color scheme with something like the root red, the 3rd orange and the 5th yellow. Really, any color scheme would do as long as it was consistent ... perhaps even a user option in the Settings/ Miscellaneous.

Finally, along the same lines I would like to see either greater contrast between the three or color options for the notes in the phrase inspector when using Schilengers or an algorithm which identifies notes as weak, medium or strong accent. Again you have to look carefully to see the gradation between the medium and weak values.

While these requests could seem trivial, everything that promotes being able to quickly implement your idea without getting bogged down feeds the creative process. I believe these implementations would really improve the work flow.

yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:37 am

Hi como baila,
i like the idea but i think we will get when this arrive:
"phrase local history: phrase generators remember previous states; it is possible to return to any previous state"
i am "dreaming" something like this btw.

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como baila · Post by **como baila** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:50 am

yellukhan wrote:Hi como baila,
i like the idea but i think we will get when this arrive:
"phrase local history: phrase generators remember previous states; it is possible to return to any previous state"
i am "dreaming" something like this btw.

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Yellukhan ... I think this is a little different. I think the purpose of the 'remember previous state' is to be able to 'scroll' back and forth through different regenerations in the phrase inspector.

This would be to alternate between the current phrase actually in the track and the possible replacement generated in the phrase inspector ... but also to hear that possible replacement being played back (as the alternate) with the other tracks in the composition (as opposed to only being able to hear it soloed).

yellukhan · Post by **yellukhan** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:27 am

i mean preview generation in the arrangement / with different tracks, phrases
so... ( according to my fake gen.) Store to new first then preview with arrange
if you didn't like the result, continue to replace same take and preview...
when you find one ,Regenerate and Store To New..so on.
sorry if i am still missing the point.

lulukom · Post by **lulukom** » Sat Feb 01, 2014 8:36 am

yellukhan +1

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