Generators vs. Phrases

[como baila]

I must say that the more I dig into the generators, the less interested I am in making a library of phrases.

I find that a library phrase always has a preconceived musical idea ... and does not fit necessarily well with other phrases.

On the other hand, with the generators I find that I am able to discover a musical idea and then build upon it in an organic and musical way by changing the algorithms, beat unit and phrase length from the phrase inspector.

One of the great thinks I have discovered is that you can overlap phrases in a track. This gives wonderful polyphonic results. Try copying the same phrase in place, pulling it down a third or a fifth from the original and pulling it ahead a beat or two. Now use the variations in the copied phrase to mirror horizontally or perhaps double the phrase ... try different variations.

You will be amazed at the wonderful things you can get.

I then will do things like pull a phrase from one track to a new track. Resize it to double the length and then play it with a different voice where the original track has a rest. This works especially well with strings or pads.

A few other great tricks are to use the variations in the track instead of the phrase. Here you can add swing, legato-stacatto and rests to create wonderful rhythms. You can add multiple rests to the inspector and then using this as a template, add rests at different points to other tracks to create polyrhythms.

I cannot wait until we can copy entire tracks to make subtle variations to one and send to different instruments.

Anyway ... you may have a different experience, but I find I am never using library phrases anymore. Just generators!

[dsan@mail.com]

Attila has given us a really useful program, no doubt.

So many different ways to become creative.

I'm finding much inspiration from rendered phrases, much as you are with the generators, como.

It's so much fun to stack phrases, move them up and down the scale to form inversions, etc., use the note editor to remove or move to form a new phrase; the list goes on and on.

I haven't delved much into the generators because I am spending so much time with yellukhans creations , but what little I have has yielded inspirational results.

I think, as far as creativity goes, RC is the best piece of software I have ever bought!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[tolstoevsky]

LOL, your short discussion/dispute looks like "what is better - make/create music by using own sence of harmony/melody/rhythm etc. or try to use collective musical wisdom of previous generations/composers"
IMHO, both methods are ...better BTW, I discovered the idea of overlappping phrases in a track long ago (may be a month ago or something) by accidentally dragging custom-made phrases on top of generated (yet another short remark considering your "dispute").
And dragging phrases from one track on top of another track's phrase is my latest "discovery" too - I found it very interesting for making quick poly-combinations for, say, different solo strings midi-channels.
In fact, the more I use RC, the more I become convinced that it's absolutely wonderful program
Good luck in your future experiments,
T.

[como baila]

LOL, your short discussion/dispute looks like "what is better - make/create music by using own sence of harmony/melody/rhythm etc. or try to use collective musical wisdom of previous generations/composers"
IMHO, both methods are ...better BTW, I discovered the idea of overlappping phrases in a track long ago (may be a month ago or something) by accidentally dragging custom-made phrases on top of generated (yet another short remark considering your "dispute").
And dragging phrases from one track on top of another track's phrase is my latest "discovery" too - I found it very interesting for making quick poly-combinations for, say, different solo strings midi-channels.
In fact, the more I use RC, the more I become convinced that it's absolutely wonderful program
Good luck in your future experiments,
T.

[musicdevelopments]

I enjoyed reading this thread!
I have to add that in the future more phrase generators will be added for specific purposes, creating phrases in a given style.
For example it would be easy to create a 'Strings Staccato' phrase generator after studying all those nice phrases yellukhan uploaded...

The idea of 'Bass Rhythm' came from a 'Work Drugs' song, which Chris Caulder helped me to transcribe.
If you listen to this song, you'll have an idea what kind of rhythm 'Bass Rhythm' can create:


Of course it is not suitable for every style but it is perfect for electronic music...

[dsan@mail.com]

It will be excellent to be able to create phrases in specific styles!

I anxiously await a "Strings Staccato" generator (And any other you come up with )

Thanks Attila!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[yellukhan]

More generators Sounds great!

[musicdevelopments]

More generators Sounds great!

yellukhan's shared staccato phrases inspired me to create a phrase generator that makes strings staccatos. It is in the latest beta, and will be included in v2.6.
It sounds great with staccato strings instrument but obviously other instruments are not that usable with this type of phrase.
You can use it with not just 3-note chords, but also 4-note chords. The lowest 4 notes will be used for more complex chords, e.g. for a 9th chord you'll hear a 7th.
Any feedback is welcome to fine tune this generator.
Thanks again, yellukhan!

Attila

[dsan@mail.com]

Thank you Atilla

Downloading now!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[dsan@mail.com]

FANTASTIC!

Downloaded, installed and playing now.

All the generators are great but the staccato generator is FANTASTIC!

Great job Attila, thank you for this!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[musicdevelopments]

dsan, I am glad to hear that, thank you for the quick feedback!
If you have any specific uses that you would like to have a phrase generator for, please let me know. (Percussion will come later this year... I have lots of ideas about generating full percussion tracks...) I am a visual person so I need to examine dozens of phrases before extracting the rules.

Best,
Attila

[yellukhan]

Absolutely Fantastic!
Attila , me Thank you so much!

You can use it with not just 3-note chords, but also 4-note chords. The lowest 4 notes will be used for more complex chords, e.g. for a 9th chord you'll hear a 7th.
Any feedback is welcome to fine tune this generator.

first impression, i think Density parameter would be useful
still thinking on it for a few suggestions but i think best is wait for now,
till we get
"copy rhythm / paste rhythm" from phrases to phrases.
(still thinking but..for example copy rhythm from a Drum phrase and paste to staccato generator according to note orders...kick rhythm to lowest note snare rhythm to 2nd note ... hihat to 4th note something like that )


and
little trick in this case
so far i tried using Mirror Vertically variation seems helps to hear chord variations a little.

MirrorredStaccsX.jpg

[como baila]

Attila ...

A generator I'd like to see is a variation on the 3rds Generator where you could vary the intervals, e.g., 4ths, 5ths, 6ths, and also to permit more than just the two notes, e.g., 3 with the octave or 4 with the interval an octave above.

[tonedef71]

Attila ...

A generator I'd like to see is a variation on the 3rds Generator where you could vary the intervals, e.g., 4ths, 5ths, 6ths, and also to permit more than just the two notes, e.g., 3 with the octave or 4 with the interval an octave above.

Ah, yes. You, HiEnergy, and I were requesting a more general "Dyads Run" generator with arbitrary interval values (it could default to a settings of thirds).

Your latest suggestion for additional "Triads Run" and "Tetrads Run" generators is intriguing as well.

A four-part harmony generator (with selectable voice-leading rules) to rival that of HarmonyBuilder would be awesome, too, but I am thinking that would be quite an ambitious project to take on.