New Roland "DANCE" hardware- AIRA TR-8, TB-3, VT-3, SYSTEM-1

[Kriminal]

but this stuff all used to be cheap and second hand! nobody wanted it...

Really? Not where I came from. From late 80s onwards, I never saw any 808 or 909 going cheap and they were only advertised for a very short time as each one was snapped up almost instantly. We bought an OSCar for 700 quid in (I think it was) 1991 , and from memory a 909 was never seen for under 500. Sticks in my memory cos at the time we were going to buy one or the other. 808s were a real rarity for sale because owners just didn't let go of them. And 909s have kept up with the market constantly.

Certainly 303s were quite a bit cheaper at the time - for just a few years you could pick up a 303 with 606 for not much over a ton ( I did), but that didn't last long. 303s have held their price for nearly 20 years now, and I can't see that changing...

I bought and sold a 303 (twice) for £50 in the late 80's....that was the going rate for most stuff, including an MS10, SH101 & AX73 i bought. Didnt get hold of an 808/909 then, did get a 707 tho.

[charleston]

Why don't people just buy a real drum kit? Surely real > analog > digital.

That would require actual musical ability.

[ZenPunkHippy]

A real drum kit can't get close to producing the kind of deep kicks required for (modern) dance music.

Hopefully it was just a joke, though

[Kriminal]

Why don't people just buy a real drum kit? Surely real > analog > digital.

That would require actual musical ability.

You need musical ability to buy a drumkit?

[MFXxx]

Why don't people just buy a real drum kit? Surely real > analog > digital.

That would require actual musical ability.

You need musical ability to buy a drumkit?

Whatever next, youll be telling me Ringo wrote Beatles songs

[damoog]

but this stuff all used to be cheap and second hand! nobody wanted it...

Really? Not where I came from. From late 80s onwards, I never saw any 808 or 909 going cheap and they were only advertised for a very short time as each one was snapped up almost instantly. We bought an OSCar for 700 quid in (I think it was) 1991 , and from memory a 909 was never seen for under 500. Sticks in my memory cos at the time we were going to buy one or the other. 808s were a real rarity for sale because owners just didn't let go of them. And 909s have kept up with the market constantly.

Certainly 303s were quite a bit cheaper at the time - for just a few years you could pick up a 303 with 606 for not much over a ton ( I did), but that didn't last long. 303s have held their price for nearly 20 years now, and I can't see that changing...

I bought and sold a 303 (twice) for £50 in the late 80's....that was the going rate for most stuff, including an MS10, SH101 & AX73 i bought. Didnt get hold of an 808/909 then, did get a 707 tho.

2 303's for £50 a time???....even back then I would have sooner stuck needles in my balls.....slowly

[fmr]

Whatever next, youll be telling me Ringo wrote Beatles songs

Actually, he did at least one: Otopus' Garden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octopus%27s_Garden

[Kriminal]

Why don't people just buy a real drum kit? Surely real > analog > digital.

That would require actual musical ability.

You need musical ability to buy a drumkit?

Whatever next, youll be telling me Ringo wrote Beatles songs

No, thats not quite what i meant.....

[meldavid]

Are there any songs that make good use of a System-100?

[fmr]

Are there any songs that make good use of a System-100?

According to Vintage Synth Explorer, "It is used by Orbital, Vince Clarke, Aphex Twin, BBC Radiophonic Workshop, Electronic Dream Planet, Tangerine Dream, Groove Corporation, Depeche Mode, Heaven 17, Freddy Fresh, Joy Electric, Luke Vibert, Human League, Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, Tears For Fears, Vangelis, Hans Zimmer, and Meat Beat Manifesto."
Eventually, one of these did make a good use of it

In the Wikipedia, we also read: "Notable use of the system was by Mute Records label head Daniel Miller who helped produce Depeche Mode's A Broken Frame and by Human League (MK1 incarnation) - the albums Reproduction and Travelogue used the system 100 multitracked to provide nearly all the arrangements including drums and percussion. Vince Clarke is also a user: it can be heard on many of Erasure's albums including the "all analog" works post-1991. The K2 Plan (S. R. Dhain) has also used it extensively in a similar vein, multitracked and with the sequencer providing odd syncopations and effects. Joy Electric's The White Songbook album (2001) was created by using a System 100 exclusively."

[Frantz]

Are there any songs that make good use of a System-100?

As fmr mentioned, the Human League's first album "Reproduction" is like a System 100 showcase but this has nothing to do with the new AIRA stuff.

[fmr]

Are there any songs that make good use of a System-100?

As fmr mentioned, the Human League's first album "Reproduction" is like a System 100 showcase but this has nothing to do with the new AIRA stuff.

Maybe the confusion is due to the fact someone mentioned the SH-101 in a post somewhere. The SH-101 is NOT the synth of System 100 (that's the Synthesizer 101 - confusing, I admit), and, AFAIK, is not either considered as part of the x0x line, but... who knows - maybe Roland mixed it in this new pack. Let's wait and see.

[Kriminal]

Maybe he's confused cos the new synth is called System-1

[fmr]

Maybe he's confused cos the new synth is called System-1

I wasn't aware of those leaks. Seems like there will definitely be a synth in the line, and, judging for the picture, it has lots of knobs, and what appears to be two envelopes, which is more than what we had in the Synthesizer Model 101 (or Model 102) or even in the SH-101. Let's hear how good that ACB technology can be.

But we already have terrific emulations in software, without the need for "pomp names". I don't understand the need for this "marketing gibberish".

[Kriminal]

A synth with keys
a 303 type module
drum machine
vocoder


thats the word going round....