Best Antivirus?

[t3toooo]

But I'm just finishing a couple of years research about running audio applications with security and thank deity my journey is over. It was fun for a while. But I will just say. Do not run ANY security on a computer that is running a DAW. None of the DAW manufacturers care about you or your security. They work to a base line of you running with full Administrator privileges and with NO ANTI-VIRUS. That's ok. That's just how it is. But that's for another thread. Or two.


And you might be right about Anti-Virus being as bad as Viruses(Virii?).

I just installed one by mistake and it made me full on log on to my real Admin account - the cheeky buggers - locking me out of my own computer.

Seriously, the inbuilt security in Win7 is not bad at all and it is worth taking advantage of. But DO NOT TRY RUNNING A DAW WITH IT. You will have a life of misery. I am finally admitting defeat and wiping my rig and starting again. Throwing away three years worth of OS setup. And every major DAW manufacturer will thank me, because it has been a major PITA for them too.

i disagree about not installing virus protection on windows.

i'm not disabling any error messages about missing anti virus and if there is a message about missing anti virus then i'll follow it like a sheep and install one until everything is running without a security center message.

i don't know and i can't go into detail why this could be important or not,maybe it's a bollocks system sniffing but i do not care since i know that it is always recommended to give windows what it wants.
now,i've read that after 90 days, windows try to validate the os license,then i want to update software and let windows share what it needs to the microsoft server.

i can say i have 0 problems and eset is less intrusive than security essentials,i even doesn't feel it is there.
i have not a single issue with my computer,absolutely nothing,i can say i'm astonished about how good win 7 is actually working.
i only install legal software,take care about the downloading location (usually it is always the vendor itself).

since all of my software is just based on licenses i can use them but i don't own them,a computer for me is more like a rental car than a private place.


i trust windows in this regard to not disappoint me.

[codec_spurt]

i trust windows in this regard to not disappoint me.

So you should, you are running their OS for starters.

So you are running ESET and Microsoft Security Essentials?

At the same time?

Have you checked the compatibility between these two specific programs?
Have you made exclusions in each of them to make sure it doesn't all get a bit confused?


Eset is top notch, the best AV you can get, if it works well on your system and MSE is good too, but tell me, you don't run these when you use your DAW do you?

Ok, first rule of fight club...

I think we have all given the game away a bit here, but... you know...

And if you trust Microsoft so much then why don't you trust them to system harden your system and to mitigate against any attacks - EMET?


Obviously it all works for you. Two AV and running a DAW at the same time, if I understand you correctly.


Sorry, there are just so many variables, unless you are specific, we will make assumptions. None of it is very important anyway, but then again, why post on an AV thread?


cheers.

[t3toooo]

actually that's my point.

i run windows "for starters" because like this it is running at it's best.
i'm not touching anything,just customizing and it is good to go.

although,what i always do is to create two accounts,one administrator account and a standard account for updates.
i know for some people it's debatable to use the administrator account as the main account but for me it is working the best.

i'm not using essentials and eset at the same time,i switched from essentials to eset because i had some problems with vst 3 plugins (gui bug) and it was hard to nail the problem,so i formatted my system last year.

however,time for tweaking a la xp is gone,in win7 it does more harm than good.
also,i don't believe in any strong security simply because the authority's will always have some kind of a backdoor (at least that's my philosophy) to watch a computer (yeah not a truecrypt partition but that's not what i mean).

otherwise,a intrusion from a hacker next door is very very unlikely,so there are not many options left.
i handle a computer like a car.
jump in,start the motor,drive away and maintain the usual.

anything else is a waste of energy imo.

eset is running on my daw just fine.

[codec_spurt]

actually that's my point.

i run windows "for starters" because like this it is running at it's best.
i'm not touching anything,just customizing and it is good to go.

although,what i always do is to create two accounts,one administrator account and a standard account for updates.
i know for some people it's debatable to use the administrator account as the main account but for me it is working the best.

i'm not using essentials and eset at the same time,i switched from essentials to eset because i had some problems with vst 3 plugins (gui bug) and it was hard to nail the problem,so i formatted my system last year.

however,time for tweaking a la xp is gone,in win7 it does more harm than good.
also,i don't believe in any strong security simply because the authority's will always have some kind of a backdoor (at least that's my philosophy) to watch a computer (yeah not a truecrypt partition but that's not what i mean).

otherwise,a intrusion from a hacker next door is very very unlikely,so there are not many options left.
i handle a computer like a car.
jump in,start the motor,drive away and maintain the usual.

anything else is a waste of energy imo.

eset is running on my daw just fine.

Er, I see what you are getting at.

You haven't really gone very far into this journey have you?

It's ok.

I thought I had too. Till I got burned.


I see you have taken slight, and made the mistake that this is a dick-waving contest. Well it's not.

But thanks for your feedback.


cheers.

[t3toooo]

don't know what is with you about "dick waving contest", i think it is interesting to talk about experiences.

for me it's not who is right or wrong.
one day in the vista days i chose to not touch anything in the os anymore but the main reason was stability.
i was fed up to enable/disable services (for tweaking for example) and to find out that after a third restart something/somewhere was screwed.


quite unpredictable to know what's happening if you play with the services for example,the documentation is very marginal.

[codec_spurt]

don't know what is with you about "dick waving contest", i think it is interesting to talk about experiences.

My apologies.

[t3toooo]

no offense.none taken.

[codec_spurt]

Just a little heads up:
http://www.emsisoft.com/en/

It doesn't take up resources. It is on demand, unless you pay for it.

It can be updated quite easily. It has a right click> scan> shell command.
It uses a few good engines.

Its HIPS - http://www.online-armor.com/ is second to none - ask over at Wilders..

I am not affiliated, I don't use it myself (the HIPS) coz I use Comodo.

But dl the anti-malware - it is free and quick.


I would say it is one of the few ones worth paying for.


Get yourselves over to Wilders:

http://www.wilderssecurity.com/

Great community for learning about security.



cheers.

[BertKoor]

I'm still on WinXp, using (\/)ickey$oft Security Essentials for my general purpose PC on which my wife mainly does FaceBook games. I'm 100% sure six months or so it was clean as a whistle, DpcLatency tester had no complaints at all. Since some weeks it's stuttering audio even on simple video playback. When idle, dpclatency tester shows a spike every 5 seconds. I highly suspect MSE itself is the culprit. HitmanPro and MalwareBytes don't find anything wrong.

Now before I go reinstalling or replacing MSE by something else, anyone else experiencing this as well? Tips?

[Spiritos]

I use MSE with win7 though without that problem. You say you suspect MSE to be the problem. That could be easily verified by disabeling it or for eg. trying a different audio codec in your mediaplayer not?

[glokraw]

Dual boot a small fast linux, and set up tripwire and rkhunter
--> before going online with it. Willingness to peruse some
log files, is small price for substantial security. Another way,
as I am currently doing, is to keep a remastered bootable cd/dvd,
and go online with that, while your DAW drive is unmounted or
disconnected.

Remaster your linux with wineasio and the normal
system audio adjustments and vst paths in place, (but empty)
and boot from it into a live session, and if desired at some point,
you can drag/drop a reaper folder into your
user folder, and some plugins into a Steinberg/VstPlugins folder,
for a quick memory based portable/secure recording session.

Trusting an antivirus industry that by definition, is late to the fire,
is crazy, First wildebeast to test the crocodiles favorite river,
better swim fast
Cheers

[metamorphosis]

MSE support on XP ends next year (april),
Eset Nod32 is what most people should use if they have money,
Eset smart security is what less clued-on users should use if they have money,

the free antivir programs unfortunately vary wildly from year-to-year in terms of their efficiency and not-f**king-up-user-machines-ness.
For example, I found avast pretty bad a few years ago, then last year it was pretty good, but recently I've noticed some performance problems from recent updates.
Avira suffers from the same thing.

Norton is worse than a virus, and Quickheal and TrendMicro aren't very effective at preventing malware, unfortunately.

If you're smart, and very, very tech-savvy, you can usually get away with running without persistent AV. But that's a high bar. You have to be on top of what are current vectors, and be auto-scanning any 'new' files on the system.

[BertKoor]

Now before I go reinstalling or replacing MSE by something else, anyone else experiencing this as well? Tips?

Never mind... I restored an image I made last September, and it's back to flawless state again. Updated MsSE and the rest, still good...

Probably it was something we picked up. I recall I had to fight a rootkit or other malware some time ago, wiped most of it off, but probably this were some leftovers. I saw DPCLatency figures were rising as soon as the network was disconnected.