FLStudio Vs Reason - Userbase

[Jeremy_NSL]

One of the best things about Reason for me is the low resource consumption. Just wrote a song in Reason using 14 different sound devices (mostly NNXT and Maelstoms), and probably 50 odd effect devices - including many RV7000s and Scream4s, and my cpu was still under 50%! If you are interested I just posted the song to the cafe here

When I write songs with VSTi stuff, I am forever optimizing, compromising etc. to keep my cpu from burning out. Its an inspiration killer.

[Bassballjg]

Forgive me. But there is some sort of intellectual
deficit in an individual who is overwhelmed by Reason. And I have listened extensively to posted
tracks on the Reason site and I can assure you that
they do not sound professional. In fact, I think any
one wanting to make the case that Reason has some
audio engine issue need only point to the enclosed
demo songs or posted songs, all of which sound terrible. This is not to say Reason isn't a good software--it has very usable elements. I am just
amazed at people who will make unfavaorable comparisons between FL and Reason when then obviously understand neither software. Pathetic.

Intellctual deficit?Come now.That is hardly helpful to advancing the conversation at all.Ad hominem attacks do not butress your subjective conclusions regarding the quality of work done in Reason.Pathetic,indeed.
As sickle666 pointed out,it can be disorienting to see familiar things implimented differently.I would agree that Reason is fairly straightforward at the most superficial level,but with its modularity and routing possibilities,the program does have a depth that is not entirely self-evident to the user at first.And,to be honest,only using the sequencer to create loops,and mainly using the program via ReWire as an intrument in Sonar,I don't have a clue as to how to write a whole song in Reason alone.Why would I,under my circumstances?
I have never heard any of the songs posted on the Propellerheads site,and so have no opinion as to their "professioalism".However,I would submit that it is not the qualities of the software but those of the user,their talent level and imagination that determines the musical value of a piece.As I said,I have never used Reason to do a track totally self-contained,but I do sincerely doubt that anyone listening to any of my productions,of my own or my clients music,could know or would care if the piano came from NNXT or my Yamaha A4000.Is Reason a comprehensive production environment?Absolutely not,in my opinion.But,if others wish to use it so,let their work be judged on its aesthetic merits.Doubtless,there is a bunch of crap out there produced in Reason,but there is also a bunch more created with any combination of software,strats and saxes you care to enumerate.

[lucille]

only using the [Reason} sequencer to create loops,and mainly using the program via ReWire as an intrument in Sonar,I don't have a clue as to how to write a whole song in Reason alone.Why would I,under my circumstances?

I would suggest you sequence the intro first. then a verse or two, and then perhaps a chorus and outro.
It is a linear sequencer: how could you not know how sequence a song in a linear sequencer?

[Sicklecell666]

only using the [Reason} sequencer to create loops,and mainly using the program via ReWire as an intrument in Sonar,I don't have a clue as to how to write a whole song in Reason alone.Why would I,under my circumstances?

I would suggest you sequence the intro first. then a verse or two, and then perhaps a chorus and outro.
It is a linear sequencer: how could you not know how sequence a song in a linear sequencer?

Hey Lucille, why don't we linearly sequence my foot up your ass? Your insults aren't accomplishing anything other than showing the world what a first class Piece of Shit you really are...change the batteries on your vibrator or something...

[drez]

The best foundation book is the Fast Guide to Reason by Poyser and Johnson. Power Tools by Kurt Kurasaki is also great but more advanced. The Propellerhead help file is well done too: there's a tendency to forget about it but it's good.

Megazoid, I couldn't agree with gizmo more. Those are definitely the books to get, and they will definitely take you to the next level with Reason.

I'm going to definitely have to disagree with lucille about reasonstation. Some of the best music I've heard on the net is from that site. The way I learned the program was that I downloaded a couple of hundred of the top tunes from there and analyzed the crap out of them! Download them, load 'em up, flip the rack around, play the synths in their rack themselves and see how the did what they did. Open up the track editors and see how they sequenced and automated things.

Most important, watch the routing! See how they use the modules and how they make them work in the tune. You can use things so many different ways that its inspiration just seeing how they creatively use the "same 'ol" modules again and again.

I own FL as well and I don't find it as easy to work in as Reason. I also own Ableton Live and have found it to be my compliment to Reason. Live4 will end my search of the utlimate VSTi host, and I'll have Reason right along side it.

I'd encourage you to stick with it and study some of the better people on Reasonstation like Slumbermonkey, Kaom, Solex, Dephazman, Coded, Athletic dance de lux, Hoyager, Unclebob, nigel Anderson, sasmith, and many others. They have some amazing stuff to download!

[Bassballjg]

only using the [Reason} sequencer to create loops,and mainly using the program via ReWire as an intrument in Sonar,I don't have a clue as to how to write a whole song in Reason alone.Why would I,under my circumstances?

I would suggest you sequence the intro first. then a verse or two, and then perhaps a chorus and outro.
It is a linear sequencer: how could you not know how sequence a song in a linear sequencer?

Clearly,because of my intellectual deficiency.Your vastly superior intellct has proven unable to lower itself to the level on which I was making my actual point-I don't know much about the Reason sequencer because I don't want or need to know.I prefer the Sonar way of doing things.Furthermore,because I like to use VSTs and need to record audio,I can't produce in Reason alone,so any investment in its sequencing functions is a waste of my time(not unlike dialogue with you).But,for those who chose to produce within Reason,let them do so,and let their music be judged as music.As I said in my original response to Megazoid (remember the actual topic here?),people need to use their own experience and judgement to figure out what works for them.Use things for what they are good at or their utility to you,and something else for the rest.That,work,and not seeing one's own,or adopting another's software preferences as a dogma is the way forward to better production.
I was wrong to say that ad hominem attacks prevent one from expressing the concept they wish to convey.Yours has come through loud and clear:contempt for anyone who thinks differently than you,or doesn't meet your standards of mental aptitude.

[Bassballjg]

The best foundation book is the Fast Guide to Reason by Poyser and Johnson. Power Tools by Kurt Kurasaki is also great but more advanced. The Propellerhead help file is well done too: there's a tendency to forget about it but it's good.

Megazoid, I couldn't agree with gizmo more. Those are definitely the books to get, and they will definitely take you to the next level with Reason.

I'm going to definitely have to disagree with lucille about reasonstation. Some of the best music I've heard on the net is from that site. The way I learned the program was that I downloaded a couple of hundred of the top tunes from there and analyzed the crap out of them! Download them, load 'em up, flip the rack around, play the synths in their rack themselves and see how the did what they did. Open up the track editors and see how they sequenced and automated things.

Most important, watch the routing! See how they use the modules and how they make them work in the tune. You can use things so many different ways that its inspiration just seeing how they creatively use the "same 'ol" modules again and again.

I own FL as well and I don't find it as easy to work in as Reason. I also own Ableton Live and have found it to be my compliment to Reason. Live4 will end my search of the utlimate VSTi host, and I'll have Reason right along side it.

I'd encourage you to stick with it and study some of the better people on Reasonstation like Slumbermonkey, Kaom, Solex, Dephazman, Coded, Athletic dance de lux, Hoyager, Unclebob, nigel Anderson, sasmith, and many others. They have some amazing stuff to download!

I have heard excellent things about the Poyser and Johnson book and with my birthday coming up,we shall see.
Drez,despite my comments on the Reason sequencer,the way you put it,I can definately see the educational benefit of downloading and analysing .rns files.I am getting more and more deeply into mod routings these days so both the books and the files sound like a great way to learn more.

[Jeremy_NSL]

Baseball, if you haven't already, check out the tutorials on the props site (under 'articles'). Some very cool and indepth stuff, with .rns demo files etc. The Dr. Rex tutorial in particular showed me some stuff I hadn't imagined possible.

[Igor 4000]

Reason is a great app. However one should keep in mind that one of the reasons (no pun intended) why it sounds so good right from the start is because refills use extremely high-quality, professional samples.

[Bassballjg]

Baseball, if you haven't already, check out the tutorials on the props site (under 'articles'). Some very cool and indepth stuff, with .rns demo files etc. The Dr. Rex tutorial in particular showed me some stuff I hadn't imagined possible.

Yes,those are cool.Highly informative and stimulating.In fact,some of the NNXT tips have led me to undertake developing a ReFill I hope to make avilable by August,Lord willing and the creek don't rise.
Although I have the text of these articles on my hard drive,I haven't yet looked into the .rns files.I should do that.
I don't use Dr.Rex as much as I might since I don't have ReCycle yet,so I can't make my own loops,which is my preference to do,and is very easy to do Acid style in Sonar.Indeed,near the top of my Reason 3 wish list is for Dr.Rex to do its own beatslicing.
Since I don't really sequence in Reason,I have come to think of rns's as instrument macros or multis for Sonar.That I am able to do this is another example of the program's power through flexibility philosophy.

[dick]

well i would probably be repeating what already has been said but who cares

all these progams are just great and it really is the person using them that makes the difference

but i will give Reason my vote

a- because it was first and set the stage and that is much more difficult than copying

b- cpu friendly cant be beat

c- the demos are just great to my ear the most proffessional and musical, i have been totally amazed at how good some of the demos sound

just my opinion

[soulkraka]

So i went along to sectionz.com and signed up, started downloading the "best" (highest rated stuff) from the website and couldn't find a single high quality track out all the users on the site. Their were maybe one or two who had produced really good work, but the majourity was slim.

You would think with such a huge user base their would be alot more professional tracks kicking around, but it didn't seem so.

Everything i downloaded, be it trance, ambient, hip-hop sounded really ameture and nothing really shocked me as being truelly professional. It seemed alot of people using fruity didn't even know how to construct basic chords or even basic melodys. Though with that said, i cant blame the software for that.

GENERALLY SPEAKING you can go to the props site or reasonstation.com and DL a bunch of crappy songs as well (and some good ones I might add). IMO both apps are excellent and people are producing some great music using them. The difference is that their music is coming out on vinyl and CD and not being UL to sectionz.

[lucille]

uh--a) it wasn't first... I am not sure who was first, but FL STUDIO aka Fruity Loops predated Reason. I think Props get the nod as the inventer of the virtual instrument with Rebirth.

If anyone interpreted my post as slagging Reason, I
am not--as I stated clearly in my 1st post. I think the Reason sampler suite is very attractive, perhaps the best available.

I am slagging people who 'dis FL or Reason with a minimal understanding either program.

[DevonB]

but i will give Reason my vote

a- because it was first and set the stage and that is much more difficult than copying

No it wasn't. Fruity was on version 3 when Reason was introduced in early 2001 it looks like. Fruity started back in 1998, so 3 years earlier. Rebirth-338 came out in 1997.

Devon

[dick]

but i will give Reason my vote

a- because it was first and set the stage and that is much more difficult than copying

No it wasn't. Fruity was on version 3 when Reason was introduced in early 2001 it looks like. Fruity started back in 1998, so 3 years earlier. Rebirth-338 came out in 1997.

Devon

ok technically you may be correct

but isnt Reason the big brother of Rebirth?


cheers