KVR Audio

Igro · Post by **Igro** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 2:55 pm

So those who beta testing it, is there any new features/improving?

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 3:59 pm

EvilDragon wrote:They are in beta testing now, not yet available to general public.

Ah... OK, then.

PAK · Post by **PAK** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:14 pm

chk071 wrote:Cubase, just like Reaper, happens to have a good working bit bridge (sort of a 32- to 64-bit "translator")

Err, the same "good working" bit bridge which won't work properly with plugins which are pre VST 2.4? The same bit bridge which now refuses to load Hypersonic 2 for me in 64 bit Cubase 7.5, forcing me to use a 3rd party bridging solution? The same bit bridge which gives a noticeable performance hit when you run multiple instances of a plugin on it versus its native 64 bit version? The same bit bridge which is extremely crash prone after leaving projects open for a long time? (days).

I appreciate people use different things in different ways, and not everyone is leaving multiple systems running for days at a time to notice these same issues. But Steinberg's bit-bridge has been anything but "good working" in my own experience. The ability of Cubase, to isolate plugins from the host, is awful in general, never mind just the bit bridge.

Good news to see these plugins finally updated to 64 bit. The performance of Largo seemed laggy enough to put me off using it, so curious to see how any update performs. Ironically no such issues with Komplexer (and i like its GUI much better than Largo) but it will be forever 32 bit.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 4:58 pm

Fair enough, you probably have a lot more experience with the Cubase bit bridge than i have. My comment was rather aimed at ChamomileShark, because he said everything was cool for him. I almost merely used Cubase 32-bit, and before that i used Reaper 64-bit for a while, with 32-bit plugins bridged, which was working just nicely. Well, i guess that's another reason to look forward to Waldorf's plugins becoming 64-bit then.

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Sat Mar 08, 2014 10:27 pm

Also want to note about PPG 2v\3v compare. Imo 2v not replaced by 3v, at least fully. (do not know how it would be appropriate in this thread)

I once make one good preset on 2v, and later try put it to 3v, but timbre was slightly different anyway, all my attempts (fix this preset by manually in 3v or change engine types) not give exactly same result.
Besides, the nature of this difference (in mentioned preset) was not in favor of the third version ) In the old version, it sounds warmer or something, seriously. It may seem ridiculous. (maybe something in filters)

Moreover, i noticed slightly difference of "Basis" (which sort of stereo spread) algorithm between 2v\3v, and again, not in favor of a new version.

But I do not want to say that I do not like 3v, it has lots of interesting moments, and (it seemed to me) possibility to get more rougher and sharp sound even by factory waves. In terms of features it's ofcourse more interesting machine than old.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:30 am

c_voltage wrote:Also want to note about PPG 2v\3v compare. Imo 2v not replaced by 3v, at least fully. (do not know how it would be appropriate in this thread)

PPG Wave 3.V is as close as possible to the real thing while 2.V has some differences to the real thing.
3.V has changes in e.g. filter, envelopes and also includes an mulation (!!) of the aliasing in the real thing (2.2 and 2.3 True PPG modes). Those True PPG modes also have an effect at the sampling quality of the waveforms (e.g. 8-bit for 2.2 mode).
Both Wolfgang Palm (original PPG developer) and Herman Seib (PPG Wave 2 "guru" and also software developer) took part in beta testing for 3.V. Wolfgang Palm also created a lot of new wavetables and a bunch of factory presets for PPG 3.V.

PPG Wave 3.V also includes sample import which at te real thing was possible using the Waveterm unit. The plugin includes the whole original Waveterm sample library (in *.WTB files). I had used samples (both from the library and my own ones) for my factory presets and my commercial soundset (see my signature).

There is also a 2.V mode in PPG 3.V and while old patches for most parameters are compatible available commercial banks for 2.V had to be updated to be fully compatible.
The best choice to play both 2.V and 3.V patches is to buy the full version of Waldorf Edition and then the upgrade to 3.V (in the Online Shop). The price of both together is around the same as the full version of PPG 3.V.

I was one of the original beta testers and also testing the 64-bit version now. Never had bigger problems with the 32-bit at a dedicated 32-bit OS (Windows 7) and host tbh. My desktop PC is still 32-bit while my notebook is 64-bit now.

Not allowed to tell many details and/or progress about the Beta here but i am quite sure it will not be finished until Musikmesse next week.

Personally i got no option to test the Mac version (VST and AU) or the new AAX versions. The AAX versions will be done for Largo, PPG 3.V and also Waldorf Edition.
64-bit for Waldorf edition was already available for a while. Those who don't have it yet should ask at Waldorf support. If you got the CD protected version you alos have to request a new serial as the CD protection is no longer used.

Those who want to post known bugs for both Largo and PPG 3.V (besides those already reported here by e.g. Evil Dragon) are free to do so.

Ingo

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 2:34 pm

Ingonator wrote:PPG Wave 3.V is as close as possible to the real thing while 2.V has some differences to the real thing.3.V has changes in e.g. filter, envelopes and also includes an mulation (!!) of the aliasing in the real thing (2.2 and 2.3 True PPG modes). Those True PPG modes also have an effect at the sampling quality of the waveforms (e.g. 8-bit for 2.2 mode).Both Wolfgang Palm (original PPG developer) and Herman Seib (PPG Wave 2 "guru" and also software developer) took part in beta testing for 3.V. Wolfgang Palm also created a lot of new wavetables and a bunch of factory presets for PPG 3.V.

Hi Ingo, ok thanks for info.

Ingonator wrote:The best choice to play both 2.V and 3.V patches is to buy the full version of Waldorf Edition and then the upgrade to 3.V (in the Online Shop). The price of both together is around the same as the full version of PPG 3.V.

Yes, i bought them both in the same way (waldorf has really most interesting wavetable vsti`s on market, in short - absolut musthave)

Ingonator wrote:Never had bigger problems with the 32-bit at a dedicated 32-bit OS (Windows 7) and host tbh. My desktop PC is still 32-bit while my notebook is 64-bit now.

If talk about 3v - i do not argue, in x32 her work without claims. But 2v as i mentioned earlier really has problem (namely last, 1.7.3 version).
One of my friend programmer learned this GUI freezes\slowdowns in 173, and said that the problem is somehow connected with Shared Graphic Library, and about the same days from support response i learned that really in the new version SGL was replaced by a some new type (I'm not an expert in this, can not explain more) but thereafter i could was be sure that the problem in this direction.
(BTW, especially this gui hangs clearly visible in 173 Attack (drum machine), which is almost unusable because of this)

In sum, 1.2.9 was last version with "right" SGL.

I have a hope that developers will do anything with this.
In general, if need be - I can make a screen video and show it significant difference between 129\173 gui response.

BUT as 129 WE works well so far, is not so critical for me, at least Now. But if released an updated version of WE, i would not like to see the same problem there.

(For just in case again, i talking about x32\PC versia of WE)

Such is the situation.

Apologies for slightly verbal diarrhea, shorter could not.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Mar 09, 2014 5:01 pm

c_voltage wrote:
Yes, i bought them both in the same way (waldorf has really most interesting wavetable vsti`s on market, in short - absolut musthave)

Mostly agree (would also add Blofeld to the list) but this one from the wavetable "master" himself is very nice too:
http://wolfgangpalm.com/new-products/wa ... ac-and-pc/

Not really a replacement for other synths like Largo and PPG Wave 3.V but a must have for a wavetable fan like me.

Ingo

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 11:32 am

I found this comparison chart of PPG Wave 2.V and 3.V at the Waldorf website:

http://www.waldorf-music.info/comparison-to-ppg-wave-2v

Ingo

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:15 pm

Ingonator wrote: Those who want to post known bugs for both Largo and PPG 3.V (besides those already reported here by e.g. Evil Dragon) are free to do so.

Not a bug but a FR - they should add the PPG filter to Largo to make it a better match for Blofield in terms of features.

vstliefhebber · Post by **vstliefhebber** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:25 pm

Another bug : the lack of implementation to assign the W, X, Y, Z modulation sources to a Midi CC source, as described in the manual.

EvilDragon · Post by **EvilDragon** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:46 pm

vstliefhebber wrote:Another bug : the lack of implementation to assign the W, X, Y, Z modulation sources to a Midi CC source, as described in the manual.

Oh yes, this is sorely missing!

c_voltage · Post by **c_voltage** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:43 pm

Ingonator wrote:
c_voltage wrote:
Yes, i bought them both in the same way (waldorf has really most interesting wavetable vsti`s on market, in short - absolut musthave)

Mostly agree (would also add Blofeld to the list) but this one from the wavetable "master" himself is very nice too:
http://wolfgangpalm.com/new-products/wa ... ac-and-pc/

Not really a replacement for other synths like Largo and PPG Wave 3.V but a must have for a wavetable fan like me.

Ingo

Yes, previously I already came across this site (and I tried it a bit this PPG version), but nevertheless, thanks for the clarification about a person.

vstliefhebber · Post by **vstliefhebber** » Mon Mar 10, 2014 4:29 pm

Well, I have fairly recent configurations with quad-core CPUs and 8/16 GB of RAM... No reason for them to behave that way, so I'm going to chalk it up to bit-bridging, most likely.

It is. When reversing from Jbridge 1.5 to 1.3, the problem dissappears - at least on my laptop.

Anyway, really great to see that a 64bit version is happening. This is literally the last plugin in my setup (unless you count s(M)exoscope as a plugin) that needed to be x64. The plug-in has been dormant for a while because of this, but I can hardly wait to use it prperly again.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Wed Mar 12, 2014 12:27 pm

Finally PPG Wave 3.V was added to the KVR database:
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/ppg-wave-3-v-by-waldorf

Better late than never...

Added this and the Plugins of the Waldorf Edition to the related products tab for this thread.

Also tried to link some related threads here (by adding the related plugin to the threads):
http://www.kvraudio.com/product/ppg-wav ... orumtopics

ingo

Waldorf Largo + PPG Wave 3.V + Waldorf Edition: 64-bit/VST3/AAX updates