KrautRock ?

[The_Hidden_Goose]

And without wanting to sound stuffy, I don't think the age of a phrase can diminish its offensiveness. I could stick my head out of the window now and shout 'F*ck off!' to some random person passing by and I'm pretty sure they'd still be offended even if I assured them that the 'F' word was about 500 years old...

I'm sure it is exactly as offensive to people who would take offense, yeah. I'm not excusing it. It's just that it has now sunk into the collective consciousness and hard for people who have heard the term used since before they could talk themselves to not use it without thinking.

Limeypop or pommiepop doesn't have the same ring to it as Britpop, otherwise we could have been on the receiving end of nation-slurring too.

Although I find the music of a lot Britpop offensive to my snobby ears....

[sprnva]

frogrock

Can we make this a thing?

Please.

[nasenmann]

so many words have an ugly origin or history. seeing them transform over time is one thing that makes thinking about language so fun.

I mean, even though "F!ck" can still be used very offensively, it simultaneously is like the best example for diversification and transformation of a word -EVER-.

Krautrock is a pretty young example, young enough for many to still remember it being coined. that always changes the outlook ofc.

i'll apply zome Zappa: "It's just words."

intention is what really counts. but if a word's perceived ugliness is too ingrained into one's mind, that should be respected to some degree, of course.

[Dunbar]

"Frogrock"... Can we make this a thing?

Next time La Femme play in London I'll insist their promoter uses the term, ad nauseum.

[Dunbar]

I think "offensive" terms are only a problem if there's a disparity in power.

"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."

[stonestreet]

Irrespective of a persons intention of their utterance it is the listener that makes the meaning. The meaning they make is based on their history not yours. That being said I am responsible for what I say however I am not accountable to how it is received.

[Lotuzia]

i don't think you'll piss anyone off. honestly a synth that like that will only be discovered/appeal to a select group of people; people who have already heard and basically accepted the term.

beyond that: i am WAY interested in this synth. will it be available in AU format? or did I read wrong and its a soundest for an existing synth?

Hi Michael,

Thanks for your interest.

it will be available in AU format, and like I said, its just one of the categories of presets, wich I felt was relevant or this synth. And its a factory library, not a soundset, meaning that I wont be the author of all the patches ( but some of them as well )

[Lotuzia]

The term now has entirely positive connotations, for English speakers. It's associated with a motoric style of music.

If 'Krautrock' is going to cause offence, 'Motorik' might be an alternate category name. And before the local genre police jump in, this is not an attempt to conflate the two, merely a suggestion for a useable label with the same basic connotations.

Thanks WR, and to all the people who suggestd alternative names. My feeling is that they might be a bit too restrictive.

I talked to a Spanish friend yesterday. And of course one of my first questions was if he had ever heard of 'KrautRock'. And yes, he did. So maybe it was initiated by some Britt journalists, but, as mentioned in my first post, it was also widely used in France, and we can see with some posts that it was also mentioned as it in Australia, and by some German bands and medias as well. In short, all over the world.

So its history.

Actually genres are always restrictive boxes made by people, not only journalists, to refer to something. One might be associated with a genre, for different and probably not very acurate reasons, while not feeling belonging to it. That's life. If you dont want this, its probably better to initiate your own genre. ( and, well, this is another part of the popular artist mystique )

The good thing is that some German readers who did not know about this *genre* were now interested into learning more about it. Its part of their history, as its part of our history of music, whatever the country you feel you belong to.

Naming a category of presets serves no other purpose than trying to communicate to musicians some bits of reference so that they can target the preset they need the fastest as possible. It has no connotations, and it aims to refer as close as possible to some particular tyopes or instruments, some musical genres, or some periods of the electronic music.

And then in the end, the good thing is that in this synth, you can rename a particular category/Tag of presets in two clicks. So that one who would not agree to the final name can change it in a flash. How cool is that ?

Thanks to all who participated.

[Lotuzia]

frogrock

I'm not surprised this thread turned into this. Nor by its author.

Actually I would not mind FrogRock if it was to become a kind of reference. I just dont care. Imo its always better to get named, identified, and remembered than to remain unknown.

And this is my final word to our German friends : KrautRock refers to an era of music when German music and German musicians were in the light, and influenced the history of music. Its a tribute.

[SODDI]

It's an OK name for a sound bank; as a descriptor for the musical history of the period it's kind of diminishing.

[Numanoid]

frogrock

Can we make this a thing?

Please.

What about Rosbeefrock then?

[nasenmann]

It's an OK name for a sound bank; as a descriptor for the musical history of the period it's kind of diminishing.

maybe, but i actually prefer diminishing over grandiose as far as genre descriptors go.
better to be positively surprised by something pejoratively named than the other way round.

seriously, one of the better things about being a Kraut is that having to deal with the darker part of our history can result in a more profound understanding of the illusory nature of borders, nationality, ethnicity, and the false pride attached to all of that. it makes self-deprecation a little easier. ze funny germans, essen mein scheiße.

funny: the most pride charged nationalist thing i can say about my country is that on average, we're miles ahead of some of the incredibly naive nationalist tendencies you can find elsewhere, like the US.

[GaryG]

frogrock

Can we make this a thing?

Please.

What about Rosbeefrock then?

I'm only offended because I'm a veggie.



Maybe we should all just stick to:

[The_Hidden_Goose]

I'm pretentiously proposing post-fraggle-rock.

Lots of extended tracks with ridiculously long names and lots of epic quiet-then-loud parts to coincide withall the building and smashing of the doozers' careful constructions.

And Sprocket on tambourine.

[Kriminal]

As long as you dont put a swastika on the box you should be fine.