The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

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[xerxes[no]]

Would Logic Pro cost $199 if it was the lifeblood of the company creating it?

This. It is really very ignorant to think that a company of 10 people or so can compete with the largest computer company in the world. Please just stick to Logic if you think the price is unfair - the price is more than fair!

One day and I will be 399 usd down, one new DAW up

price would be ok if it was a more fully featured product that made it's pro price more realistic. I'm thinking about ME, the end user, and what I think is fair to pay. I don't care about company size or what is and isn't their lifeblood when I make a purchase decision. I care about the product and then see if i think it's priced reasonably for what it offers, but still I would wait to see what transpires with a new company in the future.. UNLESS the price was low enough to make it an impulse..

No reason for me to pay $399 for bitwig even if i like it's basic structure and feel, when I don't think it is worth it at this time? Cubase Studio does more and is half the price. Studio one producer can frequently be had for 199 with a full mastering suite. Reaper is under 100, so is tracktion (and guess what, tracktion is solely relying on the software as the lifeblood too, but in this case it's too cheap, it should be $99 for sure, and a version with more content for $199 imo).

The product is 2 years late, and it remains to be seen whether future versions will adhere to the same very long development schedule. At $199 (max) it would be worth a punt to many more, erm, punters. Especially with resale on a 199 product not being a massive loss if one really doesn't click with it.

I think it's ignorant, in return, to think a company of 10 people with a less complete product than the competition are charging more or equal than all of them (besides pro tools and samp) Then again, pretty much all of them can be had as cross grades for 399 if you look hard enough.

My prediction, and I said it first. Bitwig will be the most sold second hand software come end of this year at KVR MP, *if* the shortcomings haven't been addressed. People will say "I don't need this and that" but reality will be very different once the honeymoon period is over and they realise they can't do some very basic stuff present in almost all other music software. My 2c.

Once again, just stick to Logic. We obviously look for very different things in a DAW. For my needs Bitwig offers a hell of a lot more than Logic. I have used Logic for years before changing over to Live (best thing I ever did, Logic is a so heavy and clunky). Live is a great program, but there are a few things that Bitwig offers that interests me.

Bottom line, price will never be fair to someone who dont need it. I would never pay more than $10 for a brand new Mercedes, because I dont have a drivers licence. Likewise I guess you think you cannot use Bitwig because it doesnt have crossfades or whatever. So the price is unfair to you. And I understand that.

I would pay $1000 for Live or Bitwig instead of getting Logic for free. Workflow is everything, features are meh.

[pdxindy]

The product is 2 years late, and it remains to be seen whether future versions will adhere to the same very long development schedule.

Declaring something so does not make it so.

[tooneba]

Would Logic Pro cost $199 if it was the lifeblood of the company creating it?

This. It is really very ignorant to think that a company of 10 people or so can compete with the largest computer company in the world. Please just stick to Logic if you think the price is unfair - the price is more than fair!

One day and I will be 399 usd down, one new DAW up

Your logic is flawed as there are already mentioned about Reaper.

[trimph1]

The product is 2 years late, and it remains to be seen whether future versions will adhere to the same very long development schedule.

Declaring something so does not make it so.

But it does make for more thread fodder....

[tonkatodd]

Price doesn't bother me if I enjoy using it and the workflow suits my way of working. I would happily pay $1000 and payed more than that in the past with old Logic versions and it's updates. Price isn't the first thing I look for when choosing new software or equipment.

[ZenPunkHippy]

Your logic is flawed as there are already mentioned about Reaper.

Reaper is always used as the counter example. Problem is, Justin Frankel is loaded to the gills with money after selling Winamp to AOL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Frankel

He can afford to do whatever the heck he likes for the rest of his life, it's not a fair comparison.

Peace,
Andy.

[ThomasHelzle]

Hey guys'n galls

Just a little heads up: There were questions about the Midi Devices in BWS recently, things like Random Pitch and Random Velocity. Since this isn't there in BWS 1.0…..

Tom

Random pitch and velocity (hell, even random automation ), amongst other things ARE available via the histograms in Bitwig 1.0.

...but the results are static...
This tool changes them live and continuously.
Great for generative People like me...

Cheers,

Tom

Ah, ok. That makes sense. Now if only i could route midi from a VST to another VST or Bitwig instrument…
That being said, Bitwig's arpeggiator is fabulous for random generative stuff when modulating the crap out of it with Bitwig LFO's set to S&H…each arpeggiator step can be modulated!!!!!!

I'll check your device out, i'm also one of those generative people….

Then better check it out again, since you CAN easily place Reaktor or any other note generator or mangler in front of any instrument...
That is one of the big things for me actually...
The need for midi routing is massively reduced by this (although I'm still missing it, but rarely).

Cheers

Tom

[Cyoon]

Maybe one day Microsoft will buy Bitwig, then they could compete with the low budget DAWs.. but who wants this lol..thinking about this, whats about all the high priced hardware gear, its just a bunch of potis, resistors, chips and cables right? and they usually only do one thing..

there has been a lot of work in Bitwig and i`m happy to pay the price as soon as i got the money..

[ThomasHelzle]

Your logic is flawed as there are already mentioned about Reaper.

Reaper is always used as the counter example. Problem is, Justin Frankel is loaded to the gills with money after selling Winamp to AOL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Frankel

He can afford to do whatever the heck he likes for the rest of his life, it's not a fair comparison.

Peace,
Andy.

Yeah, and the full price for Reaper is 225$, although that hardly comes up in these discussions...
And Live Standard is 349 Euro, which is the closest equivalent with some things being better and other things being worse...
So 299 Euro for the download version sounds just fine to me for a tool with such a bright outlook...

No use in underselling.
Either you really want to work with it, then you will find a way to finance it, or you don't then why bother?

"It needs to be cheap so that I can add it to my collection of DAWs I don't use!"

Cheers,

Tom

[xerxes[no]]

Your logic is flawed as there are already mentioned about Reaper.

Reaper is always used as the counter example. Problem is, Justin Frankel is loaded to the gills with money after selling Winamp to AOL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Frankel

He can afford to do whatever the heck he likes for the rest of his life, it's not a fair comparison.

Peace,
Andy.

Yeah, and the full price for Reaper is 225$, although that hardly comes up in these discussions...
And Live Standard is 349 Euro, which is the closest equivalent with some things being better and other things being worse...
So 299 Euro for the download version sounds just fine to me for a tool with such a bright outlook...

No use in underselling.
Either you really want to work with it, then you will find a way to finance it, or you don't then why bother?

"It needs to be cheap so that I can add it to my collection of DAWs I don't use!"

Cheers,

Tom

Exactly! Also, we all want these guys to keep up development and making Bitwig as good as possible. In order to get that, they need to be paid. And the more people buy it, the more manpower they can afford to extend development. Win win

I know this has been asked before, but do we have any idea what time they will release tomorrow? Curious to see if their servers will break down

[ZenPunkHippy]

Curious to see if their servers will break down

Pretty much guaranteed, I'd bet the house on it

Will be impressive if the servers hold up ... it's very hard to plan for this type of thing!

[kennyda]

Your logic is flawed as there are already mentioned about Reaper.

Reaper is always used as the counter example. Problem is, Justin Frankel is loaded to the gills with money after selling Winamp to AOL:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justin_Frankel

He can afford to do whatever the heck he likes for the rest of his life, it's not a fair comparison.

Peace,
Andy.

Yeah, and the full price for Reaper is 225$, although that hardly comes up in these discussions...
And Live Standard is 349 Euro, which is the closest equivalent with some things being better and other things being worse...
So 299 Euro for the download version sounds just fine to me for a tool with such a bright outlook...

No use in underselling.
Either you really want to work with it, then you will find a way to finance it, or you don't then why bother?

"It needs to be cheap so that I can add it to my collection of DAWs I don't use!"

Cheers,

Tom

What do you think is worse?

In my opinion Bitwig Studio should be compared to Ableton Live Suite, because it has instruments. Bitwig Studio is also stuffed full of features which completely destroy Suite and make it look like a piece of junk. And it's exactly half the price of Suite, so it's quite good value, I would say.

[ZenPunkHippy]

"like a piece of junk" is a bit harsh

[virtualmark]

[quote="xerxes[no]Bottom line, price will never be fair to someone who dont need it. I would never pay more than $10 for a brand new Mercedes, because I dont have a drivers licence.[/quote]

That's possibly the worst analogy I've ever read. So you wouldn't pay $11 for a $100,000 Mercedes? There would be quite a bit of profit to be made there...