The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[SLiC]

''But the thing I love most - hasn't crashed yet. I am ecstatic. By now Live would have been down at least 8 times.''

Really? I haven't had any crashes at all with 9.1 on X64 PC, none at all....
Perhaps if BitWig is more stable it was a plugin bringing down Live that is now sandboxed in Bitwig?

FYI I tried Bitwig and had 3 crashes for three different reason the first 3 times I used it, mainly when dragging plug ins or loops- all required me to reboot my PC as I lost audio....houses for courses I guess..

[bluedad]

Live 9.1 has been stable for me too. Bitwig has crashed on me every time I've used it, which has taken the excitement of exploring it away. No matter, I'm not a serious customer at the moment.

[dsan@mail.com]

''But the thing I love most - hasn't crashed yet. I am ecstatic. By now Live would have been down at least 8 times.''

Really? I haven't had any crashes at all with 9.1 on X64 PC, none at all....
Perhaps if BitWig is more stable it was a plugin bringing down Live that is now sandboxed in Bitwig?

FYI I tried Bitwig and had 3 crashes for three different reason the first 3 times I used it, mainly when dragging plug ins or loops- all required me to reboot my PC as I lost audio....houses for courses I guess..

Really! I can't keep Live running long enough to get anything done.

If I can even get it running. Sometimes takes more than 30 minutes to even open the default template and then I have to wait again to open my project.

I do agree it is likely a plug-in causing the problem.

Actually, more likely the number of plug-ins I use in a project.

Kontakt 5 mainly, with a lot of strings libraries.

I think it is out of memory that casues the issue. But it appears I have lots of memory to spare before it crashes. I keep a constant eye on this in effort to avoid that problem since I know I using very large amounts of plug-ins.

So, I'm not totally blaming Live. And I do wish I could get it to stay working because I just love the work flow.

Unfortunately this is software - It works for some and not for others. Bluedad's post after yours is yet another example of how Live is working great for him while Bitwig is a crash fest. hibidy has no problems with Live yet Sonar is a crash fest for him. Sonar works great on my system. Go figure

I am sure my problems with Live are related to my system. Live works fine for too many other people.

Bitwig is working great here. But it is lacking some features I need to be productive. MIDI routing, for example, has a ways to go. It may be though that Bitwig is doing things differently and I haven't figured that part out yet - whatever that part may be.

Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time to spend with a DAW so it needs to be intuitive and has to perform. I will say BWS is more intutive than Live - my experience.

Someday when I have more time I will try to figure out the probelms with Live. For now I have to be able to get to composing and leave the coding issues to those that know what they are doing.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[firepile]

has anyone else noticed they pushed the 1.0.2 update later today? (few hrs after 1.0.1), so I'm guessing that's a hotfix for something, but no release notes I have found..

Finally they are getting Real Beta Testers at work.
Theo is next

No need to be scared.. Have spent time with it and i'm 50/50. I don't want to comment properly yet until I have covered the full performance and crash testing and also the things i do and don't like about it. Ok, maybe be scared as it will be a mega post

I will have a lot of questions myself, like, i can't see a way to vertically resize tracks (besides automation ones) in the main arrange page. I am sure that absolutely has to be possible so I must be doing something wrong and need to read the manual

No, it is not possible to vertically resize tracks!

[SLiC]

''But the thing I love most - hasn't crashed yet. I am ecstatic. By now Live would have been down at least 8 times.''

Really? I haven't had any crashes at all with 9.1 on X64 PC, none at all....
Perhaps if BitWig is more stable it was a plugin bringing down Live that is now sandboxed in Bitwig?

FYI I tried Bitwig and had 3 crashes for three different reason the first 3 times I used it, mainly when dragging plug ins or loops- all required me to reboot my PC as I lost audio....houses for courses I guess..

Really! I can't keep Live running long enough to get anything done.

If I can even get it running. Sometimes takes more than 30 minutes to even open the default template and then I have to wait again to open my project.

I do agree it is likely a plug-in causing the problem.

Actually, more likely the number of plug-ins I use in a project.

Kontakt 5 mainly, with a lot of strings libraries.

I think it is out of memory that casues the issue. But it appears I have lots of memory to spare before it crashes. I keep a constant eye on this in effort to avoid that problem since I know I using very large amounts of plug-ins.

So, I'm not totally blaming Live. And I do wish I could get it to stay working because I just love the work flow.

Unfortunately this is software - It works for some and not for others. Bluedad's post after yours is yet another example of how Live is working great for him while Bitwig is a crash fest. hibidy has no problems with Live yet Sonar is a crash fest for him. Sonar works great on my system. Go figure

I am sure my problems with Live are related to my system. Live works fine for too many other people.

Bitwig is working great here. But it is lacking some features I need to be productive. MIDI routing, for example, has a ways to go. It may be though that Bitwig is doing things differently and I haven't figured that part out yet - whatever that part may be.

Unfortunately I do not have a lot of time to spend with a DAW so it needs to be intuitive and has to perform. I will say BWS is more intutive than Live - my experience.

Someday when I have more time I will try to figure out the probelms with Live. For now I have to be able to get to composing and leave the coding issues to those that know what they are doing.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

N.I. Have released a bunch of small updates for quite a few of their VST's (mainly effects) with the reason for the update being 'crashes Live!' - Try Running your NI service centre....

[dsan@mail.com]

Yes, I keep up with updates and have dl'd the latest K5 from NI.

Haven't noticed an improvement though.

Thanks for thinking about it though and for trying to help!

Any ideas why it would take so long for Live to load? Sometimes takes 20 minutes or more.

Is it possible this is related to the number of HDD's I have installed? 6, 1 TB units. Maybe it is indexing these each time I open an instance of Live; although, I only have 1 drive selected in "Places" that it should be indexing.

Even saving takes forever. Then on close it's at least 5-10 minutes before the window closes and another 5 minutes or so to release memory.

Bitwig takes less than a minute to open or close. Since it's a demo I can't test saving. Sonar takes around 1 minute and Studio 1 v2 about the same. Loading projects in the two latter takes very little time too to be able to function.

BTW - I'm running W7 Home Premium SP1, i5 750@2.67GHz, 8 Gb RAM; if it helps to think of what the issue may be.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[Echoes in the Attic]

has anyone else noticed they pushed the 1.0.2 update later today? (few hrs after 1.0.1), so I'm guessing that's a hotfix for something, but no release notes I have found..

Finally they are getting Real Beta Testers at work.
Theo is next

No need to be scared.. Have spent time with it and i'm 50/50. I don't want to comment properly yet until I have covered the full performance and crash testing and also the things i do and don't like about it. Ok, maybe be scared as it will be a mega post

I will have a lot of questions myself, like, i can't see a way to vertically resize tracks (besides automation ones) in the main arrange page. I am sure that absolutely has to be possible so I must be doing something wrong and need to read the manual

No, it is not possible to vertically resize tracks!

Well you get single or double height, but that's it. But, usually the reason you'd want to make them really tall is for automation editing, which you can do in the bottom edit pane and make that as tall as you want.

[ThomasHelzle]

Yes, I keep up with updates and have dl'd the latest K5 from NI.

Haven't noticed an improvement though.

Thanks for thinking about it though and for trying to help!

Any ideas why it would take so long for Live to load? Sometimes takes 20 minutes or more.

Is it possible this is related to the number of HDD's I have installed? 6, 1 TB units. Maybe it is indexing these each time I open an instance of Live; although, I only have 1 drive selected in "Places" that it should be indexing.

Even saving takes forever. Then on close it's at least 5-10 minutes before the window closes and another 5 minutes or so to release memory.

Bitwig takes less than a minute to open or close. Since it's a demo I can't test saving. Sonar takes around 1 minute and Studio 1 v2 about the same. Loading projects in the two latter takes very little time too to be able to function.

BTW - I'm running W7 Home Premium SP1, i5 750@2.67GHz, 8 Gb RAM; if it helps to think of what the issue may be.

Happy Musiking!
dsan

Sounds like Live is massively borked on your system. I guess you went through an uninstall - reboot - delete any leftovers - reinstall cycle already?
Number of HDs isn't the problem I'd guess - I had 8 in my old system
But I'm still using Live 8, so I can't really comment.

Otherwise I'd think of:
- Checkdisk (the intense version to see if a HD is going bad)
- Admin commandline - sfc /scannow (checks for broken system files).
- Defrag all drives and make sure non of them is extremely full. Optimum is 1/3 free.
- Delete everything in all your temp directories.
- Delete everything in the Windows\Prefetch directory.
- Check if a specific VST kills you. I had "You Wa Shock!" slow down start both in Live and S1.
- If you use a default scene, try starting without one - I once had such a file go bad.
- Are these times starts with directly loading a heavy scene or just starting Live?
- Are you running Live 64 (I guess yes)?
- What happens if you remove the VST folder in preferences - still slow on load?
- Check your Live Library?

But I have a broken Windows 7 installation on my old MacPro 2008 too, that went supersluggish from installing a specific tool. I never was able to find the reason (and man did I try). So I was more than willing to update to Windows 8 Pro x64 when it came out
Installed it fresh on a SSD and that runs just fine and very fast and fluid on the same Mac.

Sometime a re-install is the only cure

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

has anyone else noticed they pushed the 1.0.2 update later today? (few hrs after 1.0.1), so I'm guessing that's a hotfix for something, but no release notes I have found..

Finally they are getting Real Beta Testers at work.
Theo is next

No need to be scared.. Have spent time with it and i'm 50/50. I don't want to comment properly yet until I have covered the full performance and crash testing and also the things i do and don't like about it. Ok, maybe be scared as it will be a mega post

I will have a lot of questions myself, like, i can't see a way to vertically resize tracks (besides automation ones) in the main arrange page. I am sure that absolutely has to be possible so I must be doing something wrong and need to read the manual

No, it is not possible to vertically resize tracks!

Well you get single or double height, but that's it. But, usually the reason you'd want to make them really tall is for automation editing, which you can do in the bottom edit pane and make that as tall as you want.

I love to use the layered editing view for that... It's even more fun with two monitors.

Cheers,

Tom

[dsan@mail.com]

Sounds like Live is massively borked on your system. I guess you went through an uninstall - reboot - delete any leftovers - reinstall cycle already?
Number of HDs isn't the problem I'd guess - I had 8 in my old system
But I'm still using Live 8, so I can't really comment.

Otherwise I'd think of:
- Checkdisk (the intense version to see if a HD is going bad)
- Admin commandline - sfc /scannow (checks for broken system files).
- Defrag all drives and make sure non of them is extremely full. Optimum is 1/3 free.
- Delete everything in all your temp directories.
- Delete everything in the Windows\Prefetch directory.
- Check if a specific VST kills you. I had "You Wa Shock!" slow down start both in Live and S1.
- If you use a default scene, try starting without one - I once had such a file go bad.
- Are these times starts with directly loading a heavy scene or just starting Live?
- Are you running Live 64 (I guess yes)?
- What happens if you remove the VST folder in preferences - still slow on load?
- Check your Live Library?

But I have a broken Windows 7 installation on my old MacPro 2008 too, that went supersluggish from installing a specific tool. I never was able to find the reason (and man did I try). So I was more than willing to update to Windows 8 Pro x64 when it came out
Installed it fresh on a SSD and that runs just fine and very fast and fluid on the same Mac.

Sometime a re-install is the only cure

Cheers,

Tom

Thanks Thomas! This is extremely helpful! You gave me some things I had not thought of.

I won't say "completely borked" but enough I hesitate to use it. Using BWS so far has proven much more fruitful, and enjoyable, than my later sessions in Live.

No, have not performed an un-install. I may have to but will have to delay until I get ample time.

While there are some nuances of Live I don't find in BWS, the workarounds - or should I say different method- is coming around.

The fact that I am not having ANY of the problems I have with Live has me thinking....

I'm afraid I'm gonna have to buy this puppy.

I have bookmarked your suggestions and will come back to this when I have more time to devote to the cure of Live. Just hate the thought of giving up on it.

Most of what you suggest, yes, I have done. A couple of things though may help; although I feel the cure is going to be a complete re-install of system and files - THIS I dread like the plague.

It may be good for me to do though and eliminate some installations. I.E - I have Komplete 7 and really only use Kontakt. Every once in while I'll load Massive.

Dunno, perhaps just too much stuff for Live to do when starting.

The start times I referenced are for the default Live template to load. That's why I cannot understand why it takes so long to load. There's nothing in it but 3 tracks - 2 audio, one MIDI, no VST's - nothing.

You did give me a thought to disengage the VST folder and start again. Maybe that is the problem. Simple fix if so - eliminate many of the VST's I'm not going to use.

Thanks! I will try that first.

I don't undrstand your last suggestion - Check the Live Library. Why am I checking it? What am I looking for?

Thanks again Thomas!

Happy Musiking!
dsan

[ThomasHelzle]

hey dsan: some of my suggestions are more meant to circle in the problem. If by disabling the VST folder your startup time is back to normal, you will know that plugins are the problem etc.
Then you can start finding out WHICH one is killing you ...
I find this narrowing-in the most important part of bug-hunting

I don't believe that having many VSTs as such is a problem. As I said before, I have collected something like 600 plugins in my 32 bit folder...

As for repairing the library: Not sure about Live 9, but in Live 8 there is a button in preferences -> Library -> "Repair Library" this can take literally ages and may or may not fix anything, but as a last resort, I'd let it run over night, just in case it does something...
(it never did for me but I never had such extreme problems with Live as you).

The system-maintenance is something worthwhile to do every now and then anyway

Cheers,

Tom

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Hink]

has anyone else noticed they pushed the 1.0.2 update later today? (few hrs after 1.0.1), so I'm guessing that's a hotfix for something, but no release notes I have found..

Finally they are getting Real Beta Testers at work.
Theo is next

No need to be scared.. Have spent time with it and i'm 50/50. I don't want to comment properly yet until I have covered the full performance and crash testing and also the things i do and don't like about it. Ok, maybe be scared as it will be a mega post

I will have a lot of questions myself, like, i can't see a way to vertically resize tracks (besides automation ones) in the main arrange page. I am sure that absolutely has to be possible so I must be doing something wrong and need to read the manual

No, it is not possible to vertically resize tracks!

Well you get single or double height, but that's it. But, usually the reason you'd want to make them really tall is for automation editing, which you can do in the bottom edit pane and make that as tall as you want.

this would be a deal breaker for me tbh, no offense toward bitwig at all but this would just not fit in with my workflow. Bitwig may not have the same features that I have in my host so in Bitwig it may not be a big deal to most but it sure would turn me off in a hurry. Would it be all that hard to implement vertical resizing? Maybe make it an option you can disable if you like the way it is now?

[Andrei Marchenko]

Guys is it possible to make mono track in Bitwig? Thnx

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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