The All In One Source Bitwig Information & Speculation Thread

[glokraw]

Before release people were bitching since it took so long, after release people are bitching because they released too early...

Whether or not the high expectations came from bitwig, or from
the prospective buyers, the complaints are about
things that are different than expected, incomplete, broken,
locked away, or missing.

'released too early' is just a convenient conclusion based on the supposition
that 'incomplete, broken, locked away, or missing' things, are somehow
subject to the passage of time. It takes skill, desire,
and the ability to pay the bills, to create product changes/improvements.
At some point paying the bills moves to the front of the queue,
and it's release day
Cheers

[julioelgenio]

I am actually glad they released it, I am using BitWig and brought back the fresh feeling I had when first making music. Now as a community we will be shaping BitWig, something we can call ours.

[hibidy]

You left out complaining that people weren't beta testers. That is up there.

[4damind]

Bounce is unfortunately broken for external instruments, they have no "realtime" bounce/BiP yet.
Unfortunately audio tracks doesn't allow multiple inputs (this could be a workaround for missing groups), so there is still the question how to make submixes/stems?
The only workaround is to use a FX track and send all tracks post-fader and record the output of the FX track to an audio track.

[ThomasHelzle]

Those interested will give it the time needed - those looking for something else anyway won't...

Before release people were bitching since it took so long, after release people are bitching because they released too early...

The big wheel keeps on turning...

Cheers,

Tom

the thing about comparisonics is it pus things in a different context. Comparisonics takes the audio wave and changes different pitches into different colors on the waveform. This gives one a whole new way to read the audio wave, not only can you see amplitude but you can see pitch changes represented by the colors. So if I am editing a wave I can go to precise points where the pitch changes, being able to expand the view vertically (and horizontally) allows me to see more subtle changes. My host has scene storage so I can just click between scenes to go back to a full track view. Keep in mind comparisonics is it's own company and is a few hosts already and tbh I expect that number to rise...it's quite cool and very useful

My comment wasn't targeted at you Hink, you just happened to post while I was writing it .
Comparasonics looks fine to me.

Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

You left out complaining that people weren't beta testers. That is up there.

Yeah, you are right.
Which is now replaced by
"the Betatesters did a horrible job".



Cheers,

Tom

[ThomasHelzle]

I am actually glad they released it, I am using BitWig and brought back the fresh feeling I had when first making music. Now as a community we will be shaping BitWig, something we can call ours.

That's the spirit

Cheers,

Tom

[aMUSEd]

It's fascinating how different people perceive software.

For me, the edit view with multilayering and the ability to either see clips or the whole timeline is much nicer to work with than making tracks larger and smaller.
Most other hosts can only show single clips in their edit view which I find hard to work with, since it's out of context.
With layered editing I can show the tracks next to each other that I'm working with ATM and can focus on what I'm working with right now.
Also, in the edit view, I can scale vertically to my hearts content.
So I guess it's more a question of what editing paradigm you are most comfortable with.

BTW. hearing notes while editing was confirmed to be added soon by Volker somewhere.

Those interested will give it the time needed - those looking for something else anyway won't...

Before release people were bitching since it took so long, after release people are bitching because they released too early...

The big wheel keeps on turning...

Cheers,

Tom

the thing about comparisonics is it pus things in a different context. Comparisonics takes the audio wave and changes different pitches into different colors on the waveform. This gives one a whole new way to read the audio wave, not only can you see amplitude but you can see pitch changes represented by the colors. So if I am editing a wave I can go to precise points where the pitch changes, being able to expand the view vertically (and horizontally) allows me to see more subtle changes. My host has scene storage so I can just click between scenes to go back to a full track view. Keep in mind comparisonics is it's own company and is a few hosts already and tbh I expect that number to rise...it's quite cool and very useful

What other hosts is it in apart from Samp and its relatives? I would love to see this in other hosts.

[barryfell]

Unfortunately audio tracks doesn't allow multiple inputs (this could be a workaround for missing groups), so there is still the question how to make submixes/stems?
The only workaround is to use a FX track and send all tracks post-fader and record the output of the FX track to an audio track.

To make a bus you just route track outputs to an audio track that want to act as a bus. It's the same way it's done in Live. (Albeit without the group tracks way of doing it)

[4damind]

Unfortunately audio tracks doesn't allow multiple inputs (this could be a workaround for missing groups), so there is still the question how to make submixes/stems?
The only workaround is to use a FX track and send all tracks post-fader and record the output of the FX track to an audio track.

To make a bus you just route track outputs to an audio track that want to act as a bus. It's the same way it's done in Live. (Albeit without the group tracks way of doing it)

I tried this and this is not working. You can route additional tracks to an audio track and you can also monitor this but the audio track will only record from one (the selected) input channel.

[aharu]

Words canno't describe my f-kin disappointment, I can't believe I paid 300 euros for this piece of software which APPARENTLY should still be in beta phase!!! And spare me the "it will get better along the road" - don't ####### sell #### for 300 euros when it's this bug ridden, not to mention all the shortcomings when it comes to vst, mouse and keyboard focus (I can't work when it's like this???)

Well it's my fault, should've demoed it longer, I guess I just fell for the hype thinking this was 'the' gamechanger but it's just not the time

[b][u]sorry had to vent a bit[/u][/b]

[ThomasHelzle]

Good we got that out of the way
AFAIK you can sell it without transfer fee.


For those interested in the Controller API, I wrote some more about how this thing works here, especially about the two "channels" incoming Midi is split to:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6#p5699286

Cheers,

Tom

[barryfell]

Unfortunately audio tracks doesn't allow multiple inputs (this could be a workaround for missing groups), so there is still the question how to make submixes/stems?
The only workaround is to use a FX track and send all tracks post-fader and record the output of the FX track to an audio track.

To make a bus you just route track outputs to an audio track that want to act as a bus. It's the same way it's done in Live. (Albeit without the group tracks way of doing it)

I tried this and this is not working. You can route additional tracks to an audio track and you can also monitor this but the audio track will only record from one (the selected) input channel.

Ah so you are want to record the output of the bus to the bus? I can't say i've ever wanted to do that.

To record the output of the bus, you just make a new audio track and set its input as the bus and hit record.

[ThomasHelzle]

And a script for the Doepfer LMK3:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 6#p5699326

Cheers,

Tom

[JonSolo]

The thing that has me stumped with features, and I have not read this anywhere yet, though there are thousands of messages...too much to read, is this:

Maybe some of the things that appear "missing" aren't missing because they are not intended features! Maybe some of the things that appear "broke" are not because they were never intended to be used that way!

Obviously Rewire is the first that comes to my mind. This is not a "missing" feature. It was never intended to be one. While it is nice to have, it is not necessary to get an idea down quickly. It also has never helped me get to my musical idea quicker. It CAN and does help when I get to the polishing stages. But I think Bitwig wants their product to be THE product to get us all the way there. Do I "miss" it today? Yes. Will I miss it a few weeks down the road after working with Bitwig? I'll tell you when I get there.

With things that are "broke"...and I do not mean bugs...things like PDC- I am not having an issue. This does not mean that no one is. But I really wonder what hoops some jump through to make music. I have seen people and heard tracks where someone adds an EQ or compressor just for the sake of doing so...it just wasn't needed. This is not to blame the end user on an issue...this is to say that you can't preconceive everything that we might attempt to throw at a DAW. As these issues come up, there is no doubt in my mind that the Bitwig Boys will stay on top to make sure that their product improves and is able to tackle whatever we can put together.

My idea and really my hopes is that Bitwig will change the way I approach recording my music...improving on the time it takes to get the idea from my head to a final product. It already allows me to get to manipulation of audio and MIDI much quicker than Cubase or Reason. I never adjusted to Live...but for some reason, the clips in Bitwig...side by side with the linear tracks, makes a whole lot of sense.

Either way, as bugs get fixed, features get added, and the seemingly broke gets repaired, I will aggressively use this product to improve my product.

Jon