omnisphere! criky damn this synth is just no words awesome.

[osiris]

Re: the price
You really don't think Roland, Moog, Access Virus and other companies royalties come cheap, do you?

[BBFG#]

To quote Eric Persing from the old days, "A sequencer only costs us pennies to put in, but aftertouch costs us hundreds. And people are willing to pay a lot more for a sequencer than they are aftertouch." So the fact that they overcharge for their royalties is only compounding the problem and still not really an answer to anything but their need to justify it.

And still nothing concerning the actual workings of the synth. Makes me wonder if any of the owners ever get past the first edit page where it is basically a rompler.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And still nothing concerning the actual workings of the synth.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7#p5706687

Makes me wonder if any of the owners ever get past the first edit page where it is basically a rompler.

given that a large percentage of users of ANY synth never make it past the preset browser, does that mean all synths are romplers

[Uncle E]

if you really value his programming skills and you think that, as a musician, the sound and playability of the Omnisphere patches have value to you, then Omnisphere is a good choice.

But what if you don't? What if you think some of the sounds are good, but many, or even most, are just not to your taste? Then you're left asking about the engine itself and whether or not you can get the sounds out of it that you want to get. That is, you want to know how specific features in Omnisphere help the user get the sounds that he wants.

Why wouldn't that person just get a different synth?

[Uncle E]

Lame as those sounds are, that video is awesome.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Omnisphere owners often rave about the vast number of patches, but if you aren't interested in the majority of those, then you want to know, independent of the patches, why the price is justified?

i don't remember ever hearing the opinion that the price of omnisphere would be justified without the library. most who love omnisphere seem to agree that it is the library that is the draw, while commending the included synth engine for being no slouch. there are a lot of other things to like, but it appears that the argument needs to be oversimplified for some


the included library is what makes the price higher, and if you are the target market then the library/preset/sample-to-price ratio offers incredible value. it is clear that it would be of no value to someone who had no use for those sounds, but for that same person to not see how fantastic it might be for others is just, well

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

if you really value his programming skills and you think that, as a musician, the sound and playability of the Omnisphere patches have value to you, then Omnisphere is a good choice.

But what if you don't? What if you think some of the sounds are good, but many, or even most, are just not to your taste? Then you're left asking about the engine itself and whether or not you can get the sounds out of it that you want to get. That is, you want to know how specific features in Omnisphere help the user get the sounds that he wants.

Why wouldn't that person just get a different synth?

are you finding this as surreal as i am ??

[BBFG#]

I actually do the same with every synth I purchase. I just wonder why Spectrasonics and its 'elite' are so opposed to anything but following without exploring the hows and whys of it.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I actually do the same with every synth I purchase. I just wonder why Spectrasonics and its 'elite' are so opposed to anything but following without exploring the hows and whys of it.

care to inject some meaning into that reply ??

[ghettosynth]

And still nothing concerning the actual workings of the synth.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7#p5706687

Makes me wonder if any of the owners ever get past the first edit page where it is basically a rompler.

given that a large percentage of users of ANY synth never make it past the preset browser, does that mean all synths are romplers

The perception is, and I agree, that on KVR we talk about other plugins in more depth. There was a recent question regarding ACE and LFO modulation. A list of features is not the same thing as a discussion. Whenever someone brings up features of Omnisphere the thread immediately takes on a very odd tone that seems to imply that anyone who questions the value of Omnisphere based on the feature set is not being sincere.

[BBFG#]

Seems evident. That wanting to know the workings of the synth is as important as the final sound and character of the synth. Otherwise, it might as well just be a player/rompler. And the longer these threads keep getting repeated, the more I wonder if that was has effectively become of it. "It can get deeper for those that want to get deeper, but it does everything I need without needing to", is one of the most common things I keep hearing repeated about it.
I want some 'hands on' or a conversation with those that have hands on with its 'deeper' aspects.
The 'horde' does not seem able to do that.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

And still nothing concerning the actual workings of the synth.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 7#p5706687

Makes me wonder if any of the owners ever get past the first edit page where it is basically a rompler.

given that a large percentage of users of ANY synth never make it past the preset browser, does that mean all synths are romplers

The perception is, and I agree, that on KVR we talk about other plugins in more depth. There was a recent question regarding ACE and LFO modulation. A list of features is not the same thing as a discussion. Whenever someone brings up features of Omnisphere the thread immediately takes on a very odd tone that seems to imply that anyone who questions the value of Omnisphere based on the feature set is not being sincere.

firstly, value is a personal thing so it is hard to really question the value of something, and certainly not if you insist on determing value while insisting that the main draw of the instrument be ignored

there is nothing wrong with discussions about feature sets, but that does not seem to be the tact you are taking. you seem to be saying, "well, if i have no interest in the type of sounds nor eric's style of sound design then how could i be justified in spending so much on omnisphere ??"

again, i would be interested in finding anyone who would recommend you buying omnisphere for it's synth engine alone. it seems to be pretty solid and very capable, though it seems to be overshadowed in sound quality by certain of the new supersynths

why are there not so many lfo modulation questions for omnisphere ?? likely myriad reasons, none of which make a case either way

[BBFG#]

given that a large percentage of users of ANY synth never make it past the preset browser, does that mean all synths are romplers

At the very least, they become mere players. And I have a list of synths which have some good factory presets, but programming any more than a necessary tweak to taste is something that doesn't interest me with those particular ones. So I do consider them players.
If I'm to buy a synth such as this for the price that it is, programming is extremely important, otherwise, I'm better off just buying sample sets for Kontakt.
And I have logged some demo hours on it now. But only in those first edit pages, where it is decidedly nothing more than a nice rompler.

The perception is, and I agree, that on KVR we talk about other plugins in more depth. There was a recent question regarding ACE and LFO modulation. A list of features is not the same thing as a discussion. Whenever someone brings up features of Omnisphere the thread immediately takes on a very odd tone that seems to imply that anyone who questions the value of Omnisphere based on the feature set is not being sincere.

Yes, this is the point, very much.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

Seems evident. That wanting to know the workings of the synth is as important as the final sound and character of the synth. Otherwise, it might as well just be a player/rompler. And the longer these threads keep getting repeated, the more I wonder if that was has effectively become of it. "It can get deeper for those that want to get deeper, but it does everything I need without needing to", is one of the most common things I keep hearing repeated about it.
I want some 'hands on' or a conversation with those that have hands on with its 'deeper' aspects.
The 'horde' does not seem able to do that.

it is interesting for a guy who wants to assert the existence of some kind of omnisphere 'elite' , that you default to that snobbish, patronisng attitude of some who look down on those that are quite content using presets. guess i'm just one of the 'horde', an am not worthy

himalaya gave you a list of spec's which was your opportunity to probe a little further. he is a fantastic sound designer, and someone who i imagine could really give you the "hands on" that you insist you're interested in

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

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