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el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:45 pm

BBFG# wrote: So how is it's granular engine and spectral engine different or even superior to others on the market are things that would be more helpful to me. Not blanket statements, but actual use in application. Those interest me far more than its sample set or VA method.

i would suggest 2 things

1) you start a thread in the 'instruments' forum asking for people who have experience with spectral and granular in omnisphere and in other synths so that you might get an idea about it's capabilities in these areas, relative to other instruments

2) that the next time you get some hands-on time, you actually seek these areas out right away to form your own opinion

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:45 pm

BBFG# wrote:So how is it's granular engine and spectral engine different or even superior to others on the market are things that would be more helpful to me. Not blanket statements, but actual use in application.

Alchemy is superior in these regards. It is the right instrument for you. Omnisphere is not. Sorry for the blanket statements but this is what's called for by the situation.

gassle · Post by **gassle** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:47 pm

BBFG# wrote:I intend to keep an open mind and make my decision on whether or not to buy it based on experience and knowledge of the instrument rather than emotionalism and product religiosity.

Something emotional between you and Omnisphere going on apparently though counting your posts in this thread.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 7:55 pm

There's that bubble again.

Krakatau · Post by **Krakatau** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:04 pm

LimboLoves wrote:I played one chord from omnisphere and my girlfriend took off all of her clothes and slapped me across the face really hard. I fell out of my chair, asking angrily, "What the f**k was that for?"

She responded, breathing heavily like a crazy person, "That synthesizer makes me so damn hot, we need to have sex right now!" and then she attacked me. I woke up the next day paralyzed from the waist down. I turned to the right, and my girlfriend was making out with my computer screen. Omnisphere was sitting right in the center of FL Studio. That bastard seduced my girl

it is f**king dangerous
way more than any virus
would you all please help us
this threads's getting way too serious

...(anyone here to continue the rhymes...heh !)

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:17 pm

Uncle E wrote:
BBFG# wrote:So how is it's granular engine and spectral engine different or even superior to others on the market are things that would be more helpful to me. Not blanket statements, but actual use in application.
Alchemy is superior in these regards. It is the right instrument for you. Omnisphere is not. Sorry for the blanket statements but this is what's called for by the situation.

Thanks, I do own own Alchemy and it is my go-to for the most part.
Each has their own character though, so I'm exploring it for its own. Especially since I've acquired more of an interest in Trilian; and Omni seems to be a good co-synth to that.

It is interesting in how easily owners are disturbed by anything asking for more than the superficial though. I wonder how can anybody own such a machine and fear so much of it at the same time. That just seems counter-intuitive.

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:27 pm

BBFG# wrote:Especially since I've acquired more of an interest in Trilian; and Omni seems to be a good co-synth to that.

You'll abhor Trilian on its own, it's not nearly as capable as Omnisphere. Trilian loaded into Omnisphere, though, is quite nice.

It is interesting in how easily owners are disturbed by anything asking for more than the superficial though.

I think you're expecting answers that aren't there. Omnisphere can do a lot but it's also fairly simple in a lot of ways, it isn't nearly as deep or complex as Alchemy is.

el-bo (formerly ebow) · Sun Apr 06, 2014 8:29 pm

BBFG# wrote: It is interesting in how easily owners are disturbed by anything asking for more than the superficial though. I wonder how can anybody own such a machine and fear so much of it at the same time. That just seems counter-intuitive.

Where's the strawman emoticon when you need it.

Tronam · Post by **Tronam** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:46 pm

BBFG# wrote:As far as the sample library in Omni, there are many that can be found in others and so for the most part, samples are not its strongest suit in buying it, therefore, back to actual synthetic methods of processing are.

Its sample library is not Omnisphere's strongest suit? Out of curiosity, what type of music do you compose?

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Tronam wrote:
BBFG# wrote:As far as the sample library in Omni, there are many that can be found in others and so for the most part, samples are not its strongest suit in buying it, therefore, back to actual synthetic methods of processing are.
Its sample library is not Omnisphere's strongest suit? Out of curiosity, what type of music do you compose?

Don't get me wrong, the samples are solid and good. It's just that the majority of them are the same as what you find in just about everything. Granted, it has its trademark burning piano and its samples are clean and done well. So again, it comes down to the power of processing them in different methods of synthesis (beyond just layering and changing start/stop points and morphing.)

In that regard, I'm not saying its weak, just that it's not where it could show it's real strength. It's somewhat like discussing a beginning sine wave without the filters for what I'm referring to.

gremlinmoon · Post by **gremlinmoon** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:44 pm

Here are some 100% Omni demos that I have made for either forum threads or Reaktor Sample Map fodder. These are probably best played on proper studio monitors at a decent volume as they are not mixed for laptop speakers. They tend toward the sound collage/ambient side of things for the most part -- but Shortform Ambient is my genre so I do try to jump right into things -- no 45 min filter sweeps in these demos. IMHO if you are planning on getting high at some point soon you may enjoy combining that activity with listening to these Omnisphere demos.

BBFG# · Post by **BBFG#** » Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:57 pm

At this point, I would be more interested in the methods you used to program (Especially using the granular & spectral synthesis) then soundcloud demos (which is almost like posting screen shots). Although they are a vast improvement over the old spectra way.

Echoes in the Attic · Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:28 am

BBFG# wrote:At this point, I would be more interested in the methods you used to program (Especially using the granular & spectral synthesis) then soundcloud demos (which is almost like posting screen shots). Although they are a vast improvement over the old spectra way.

There is no spectral synthesis in Omnisphere. The granular synthesis isn't what you'd know from other granular synths, it's much more rough and more meant as an effect where you can hear the individual grains. Almost like an interesting delay. It doesn't turn things into completely new sounds, like smooth pads etc. It's a cool effect but nothing like Alchemy's granular for example.

If resynthesis is your thing, Alchemy is the way to go. Omni's strengths are a variety of oscillator effects/synthesis methods (RM,FM, Waveshaping, stacking oscillators, sort of granular etc.), a great variety of different filters that (2 per payer that work together in cool ways), a great sample library and an overall nice workflow (with some goodies like the orb for fun). It's nothing revolutionary, it's just a fairly well designed instrument. The library is big selling point though. This sample content released for Kontakt would probably be around the same price from another company.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 12:49 am

Uncle E wrote:
ghettosynth wrote:if you really value his programming skills and you think that, as a musician, the sound and playability of the Omnisphere patches have value to you, then Omnisphere is a good choice.

But what if you don't? What if you think some of the sounds are good, but many, or even most, are just not to your taste? Then you're left asking about the engine itself and whether or not you can get the sounds out of it that you want to get. That is, you want to know how specific features in Omnisphere help the user get the sounds that he wants.
Why wouldn't that person just get a different synth?

They would, right? I mean, you'd think that is exactly it, amiright or amiright?

Uncle E · Post by **Uncle E** » Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:04 am

BBFG# wrote:Don't get me wrong, the samples are solid and good. It's just that the majority of them are the same as what you find in just about everything. Granted, it has its trademark burning piano and its samples are clean and done well. So again, it comes down to the power of processing them in different methods of synthesis (beyond just layering and changing start/stop points and morphing.)

In that regard, I'm not saying its weak, just that it's not where it could show it's real strength. It's somewhat like discussing a beginning sine wave without the filters for what I'm referring to.

Relative to Alchemy (with regards to resynthesis) and DIVA (with regards to VA), it's indeed weak, at least in terms of sheer power. There is something to be said for how it makes complicated processes easy and accessible but I don't think that's going to be enough to satisfy you.

omnisphere! criky damn this synth is just no words awesome.